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  Mono-Red Prison - A Feasible Archetype?
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  @ydl and as far as sin prodder and bridge, it's only a nonbo if they need to swing in with their creatures and the give you the land on top and then you draw a land, order than that, it's fine not to seeing with him. At some point they will have to choose between taking 4 from fiery confluence or letting you cast it and taking 6. Or dealing with Chandra, or hazoret

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  Bringing the Fight to 'Shops
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  If we're going to get REAL pedantic about this ... it should be 1 Polluted Delta, 1 Scalding Tarn, 1 Misty Rainforest because of the possible appearance of Spyglass/Pithing Needle

  But if you end up running Mountain in the board the on-color fetches are probably a lot better!

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  Suntitan Odd Oath
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  I know this is over a year old but I recently got into vintage and this was the deck I was looking at. Any other updates on this deck? Looks great.

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  Keep or Mull?
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  Ancient Tomb decks should be playing Sorcerous Spyglass over Needle, if nothing else, to avoid Misstep issues (vs. Dredge or Two-Card Monte).

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  Workshop Aggro
  workshop archetype deck to beat • • Brass Man

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  @walsh (17 days later) I've played some matches with Spyglass. I'm ... pretty medium on it. Turn one Spyglass on the play hasn't been the backbreaker I was worried it might be, it's almost always been worse than a Sphere or Chalice for me. However, with a limited number of Spheres and Chalices available, it's not like you have to cut them to fit a few Spyglass maindeck. I've liked the card more than I expected in the mirror and against Eldrazi decks (name Eldrazi Displacer most often). The extra boost the card gives in the Drege matchup is notable, too.

  My personal conclusion? I like the idea of running 1 or 2 maindeck ... but I wouldn't run 4, and I wouldn't value it too highly as far as mulligans and turn 1 sequencing is concerned.

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  help newb with unpowered colorless eldrazi
  eldrazi jacodrazi colorless eldrazi • • colbey81

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  @didor tbh I haven't had any time to test with it, since I only plan on playing vintage sides because I'll be judging everything else, I've been testing legacy. I also would need 3rd/4th old thalias and haven't bothered/wanted to buy them atm.

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  4 Color Control
  control decklist 4 color • • Sovarius

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  Current build.

  Moved away from Consecrated Sphinx, it was fun but i wasn't playing enough lands to get there, even with Drain.

  Speaking of, took out Drain and added a couple lands (blue duals). Still have Bayou and Badlands. They just feel so flexible, having 4 colors on 2 lands, and being able to Abrupt Decay or Abrade if i want both open on turn 2.

  3 Dacks right now, but thinking about making one a Mind Sculptor again, or another Notion Thief. I do like where i am at, and not having too many dead cards against shops Game 1.

  Still not on the Preordain train. I like having extra power cards. I don't know necessarily that my thinking is right, but sometimes it just feels like not enough win cards, even if you see them on time sometimes they just get blasted away. So i have a little more raw power "do something" spells that don't simply filter. And i am also on 3 Dacks right now.

  Playing with a Life From the Loam in the sideboard, i got to toy around with that against white eldrazi hatebears.

  Has anyone experimented with any card similar to Izzet Charm? I don't know what else exists, and i don't necessarily think Charm is superb. But i love the flexibility, and i would love a card that can counter a spell or remove a permanent. Seems like it rocks with Kess, too, but at the moment i am not going to test this.

  Murderous Cut over Dismember? Was hesitant about 3 delve spells, but.

  Sideboard is still the most confusing part of my life.

  Lands (16) 1 Library of Alexandria 3 Underground Sea 2 Tropical Island 2 Volcanic Island 1 Bayou 1 Badlands 4 Polluted Delta 1 Misty Rainforest 1 Scalding Tarn Restricted Mana (5) 1 Black Lotus 4 Moxes Creatures (8) 4 Deathrite Shaman 2 Leovold 2 Notion Thief 1 Kess Planeswalker (5) 3 Dack Fayden 1 Jace TMS 1 Jace VP Removal (6) 2 Abrupt Decay 1 Dismember 1 Abrade 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Ancient Grudge Card Draw/Selection (8) 1 Painful Truths 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Ponder 1 Dig Through Time 1 Treasure Cruise 1 Gush 1 Gitaxian Probe Counters (10) 4 Force of Will 3 Mental Misstep 1 Flusterstorm 1 Mindbreak Trap 1 Red Elemental Blast Good Stuff (2) 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Time Walk Sideboard (10 1 Pyroblast 2 Energy Flux 2 Null Rod 1 Ancient Grudge 2 Subterranean Tremors 1 By Force 1 Meltdown 1 Flusterstorm 2 Toxic Deluge 2 Grafdigger's Cage
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  Grixis Painter
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  @xouman I don't think it sounded rude bud. I appreciate the insight and the advice. I may try the chalice plan, it seems like a good start. I did modify to have 2 by forces in my board now as well.

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  DR Shaman or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the BUG(R)
  deck tech bug control • • JonHammack

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  @lordeng1ish I'm actually at a loss for what to do here. DRS is very important for the deck, and spyglass really does a number on it, making it a better 'thorn' to fight the decks mana production. Fewer thorns = fewer eldrazi, so strix is not as important either. I still really like Leovold's position in the meta and many have pivoted back to BUG, but having access to REB/Pyro is the natural progression there to fight other Leo's on the stack. The deck might actually move into a more keeper/4-5CC direction and utilize a City/Mana Confluence mana base to sidestep spyglass (since most current 3+ color decks rely on fetches quite heavily).

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  Temur Cascade
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  @brass-man

  Umezawa's Jitte doesn't seem like a bad card to hit on cascade that bolsters your creatures and answers tokens. Furthermore, cascading into Stoneforge Mystic is high value. SFM/equipment seems great for this deck all around. (Probably better than JVP)

  When Mentor was a new card, I played Mentor +4 SFM, and I absolutely slaughtered Delver decks at NYSE that year. Just something to consider, I'm sure it's still true.

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  Balance and MTGO bug?
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  Ahhhh, thank you! I had auto-yielded the triggers, so I didn't notice. Another sign that I should really go to sleep.

  Yes, good games as always!

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  [XLN] Chart a Course
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  @maximumcdawg said in [XLN] Chart a Course:

  @islandswamp said in [XLN] Chart a Course:

  I think that Blue Red Delver/Young Pyro deck could really like this card AND it would allow them to run four Wastelands without caring (unlike Gush). Maybe one Gush, three of these things, Dig, Cruise, and the rest of the restricted stuff. Seems legit to me, especially now that this deck wouldn't care about having to go around Mentors as much.

  I think you're spot-on that this card is PLAYABLE and I agree. I initially through Delver, too. But, Blue really does have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to blue draw spells. We've got:

  Ancestral Recall, Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain x4, Gush, Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, and just that is already 10 cards. Which one do you cut for Chart a Course?

  Perhaps this is better than some of those cards if your deck (1) attacks a lot but (2) wants specific cards in the yard. Like, a Welder shell? Put another way, is it possible that this card replaces Thirst for Knowledge somewhere? Unlike Thirst, this is cheaper AND you have some control over whether you want the discard or not.

  Well you don't cut any of those. I imagine there might be a slot somewhere (GUSH MAYBE).

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  TPS 2017!
  storm • • Shax

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  Below is what I've been playing since the latest B&R changes with modest some success (3-1 in a daily & 3-2 and 5-0 in the league). Basically cut a third preordain for a second bargain from my standard DPS list (definitely not certain that's correct, as I side out the second bargain a lot).

  1 Ancestral Recall
  1 Badlands
  1 Black Lotus
  1 Bloodstained Mire
  2 Cabal Ritual
  1 Chain of Vapor
  4 Dark Petition
  4 Dark Ritual
  1 Demonic Tutor
  4 Duress
  1 Gitaxian Probe
  1 Library of Alexandria
  1 Lion's Eye Diamond
  1 Lotus Petal
  1 Mana Crypt
  1 Mana Vault
  1 Mind's Desire
  1 Mox Emerald
  1 Mox Jet
  1 Mox Pearl
  1 Mox Ruby
  1 Mox Sapphire
  1 Necropotence
  4 Polluted Delta
  1 Ponder
  1 Sol Ring
  1 Brainstorm
  1 Tendrils of Agony
  1 Time Walk
  1 Timetwister
  1 Tolarian Academy
  4 Underground Sea
  1 Vampiric Tutor
  1 Wheel of Fortune
  2 Yawgmoth's Bargain
  1 Yawgmoth's Will
  1 Hurkyl's Recall
  1 Swamp
  2 Thoughtseize
  1 Defense Grid
  2 Preordain

  2 Ancient Tomb
  3 Ravenous Trap
  1 Rebuild
  2 Hurkyl's Recall
  1 Toxic Deluge
  2 Defense Grid
  1 Empty the Warrens
  1 Sadistic Sacrament
  1 Chain of Vapor
  1 Island

  I do think this has some advantages over PO Storm. It's faster than the slower PO builds, more stable than the faster PO builds (e.g. Reid Duke's with 4 Mox Opal and 2 Grim Monolith, which seems to have fallen out of favor), and less vulnerable to null rod effects (although they can still hurt depending on what we've drawn). Also, using duress effects for protection over FoW and other countermagic means our protection spells are less costly overall, and we make much better use of defense grid. Of course we lose the ability to be reactive, which makes us more vulnerable to shops.

  However, I'll freely admit that the biggest reason I play this on MODO over PO storm is that I own the cards (virtual FoW and mox opal are pricey!), so my perspective is definitely biased. Regardless, I do hope the latest changes allow dark rituals to reclaim a place in the meta.

  *edit#1 on 9/9/17: Just realized the aforementioned daily was before the latest b&r change. Sorry for the misrepresentation.

  *edit#2 on 9/16/17: Updated to reflect fact that I just went 5-0 in my second MTGO Vintage league with this list. Played Ravager Shops, Delver, Dredge, Oath, and Uwx, if I remember correctly.

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  First league 5-0 lists
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  @supertimland
  I expected nothing new and that's what I said.

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  Vintage Lands Deck
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  these lists look reasonable enough to give me an idea of a list i like. especially nice to read the tourney reports.

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  No-Academy Belcher
  deck tech belcher • • mediumsteve

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  This thread reminds me of why we need to see Channel Unrestricted. This needless oppression has to stop.

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  Dredge going into Summer 2017
  dredge • • grumpytopdecker

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  @poxeveryturn said in Dredge going into Summer 2017:

  @rikter I know that. I was just pointing it out as another option. I wasn't trying to say it was better than cafe. It obviously is well behind cage, priest, and RIP as some of the top tier options. Lol

  I don't think we're mad that you brought it up (at least I'm not), it's an interesting card and worth thinking about, I just don't think it could ever be viable.

  Structurally, the only reason the card would be worth running over Rest in Peace would be if you have Delve spells (because whatever your opponent is doing to send creatures to the graveyard could be shut down entirely by RIP) but in that instance you would probably prefer Cage or Containment Priest anyway. So far as I can tell, there's no niche for this card