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  Dark Triad: A deck analysis and tournament report
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  @revengeanceful The Humility was never a factor in any of my games that I remember, although it certainly could have been. E.g., shutting down Depths if I hadn't gotten the Strip Mine, shutting down Snapcasters. It's there for those types of things, as well as Oath, Ballistas, and random utility creatures.

  I did no play testing except for goldfishes, so can't comment otherwise.

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  Hollow One
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  Manglehorn is intruiging. I tried loading up on thalias main, null rod and mindbreak traps Sb, and still got hosed by outcome. They are both faster than us and can pivot around hate cards with tinker or mentor. Maybe ive been unlucky, but still seems pretty minus as a matchup. Leo seems a little too slow and kambal is probably the same and also hard to cast, but I might try him in a hate bears tilted list.

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  What is TMD's opinion on permission
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  does Iona, Shield of Emeria count as permission?

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  Traxos is absolutely insane
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  I wonder if cutting 1 Traxos for something like Weatherlight or Karn to test it out seems good. They're both great in the mirror too but are excellent vs control.

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  PaRUGdoxical Outcome [Outcome Control]
  outcome control rug • • Grizzly

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  @kapitalismus So the logic is, paradoxical outcome is the best non-restricted draw engine through chaining therefore it makes the cut?

  Also i don't understand this sentence specifically '...it looks cool on paper but defeats the whole purpose of the list and all in all unnecessary'.

  Arguably the logic of Titania and Ramunap (as the only win con aside from 1x Jace) is absolutely the purpose of the list; both through mana denial and token creation. I dont see how a card that for (G) is a win more and not a simply WIN in this type of deck. Moreover it gets picked up by PO after it becomes redundant.

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  Workshop with Color
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  There was a lot of good theory there. Thanks.

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  Merfolk
  deck discussion • • Naixin

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  Also Trickster on a Ravager while they are tapped out so the cant put counters on a factory for instance, or on a Mentor in response to first spell so they cant make a million tokens etc.

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  Mono-Red, Hated Stepchild?
  • BandsWithOthers

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  @garbageaggro That is a great analogy. I remember opening plays of Mishra's Workshop, Sphere of Resistance, burn for 1, go. It'll take some time for enfranchised players to accept change, but it isn't changing back anytime soon.

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  Blue Brew no more Blue Stew
  • moorebrother1

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  Could Trinket Mage into Chalice of the Void be an option over Mental Misstep?

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  Vintage KCI
  • skeptimist

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  I played against Vintage KCI in a league a few weeks ago, right after Matt Nass’s first top 8. Here's an album of the board state after all three games.

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  Miracles in Vintage?
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  @ghost588

  Yeah it’s not good. Mana Drain is not even that good. Counterbalance is a super conditional Mana Drain. ‍️ You’ll spend all your effort trying to get it to break even. If you have UU up for something like that, you’d just be happier with Mana Drain. Vintage is all about what you can do immediately. Conditional advantage over the long haul doesn’t really pan out in Vintage, especially when their are things like Abrupt Decay or in response to your Top, Pyroblast your Counterbalance. Or things like countering Treasure Cruise? It’s not the kind of battle you want to fight.

  I recommend trying it and I suspect you’ll begin reducing them until you have none left.

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  Back to Basics!
  mentor control big blue back to basics • • StormtheBrain

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  Thanks you for your advice. Blood Moon seems like fun, too, but I'd rather be blue based. Standstill looks fine. Therefore I'd make the following exchanges:
  3x Standstill for 3x Preordain
  3x Tundra + 4x Mishra's Factory + 2x Islands for 7x Islands + 1x Plains + 1x Tundra
  3x Wasteland for 2x Back to Basics + 1x Thing in the Ice
  1x Crucible of Worlds for 1x Jace, Vryns Prodigy
  2x Stony Silence for 2x Null Rod
  Maybe take out Mystical Tutor or Merchant Scroll for another Swords.
  Maybe add Narset Transcendent, I really like her.

  I love long games, but my biggest threat is the time on magic online. Guess I need to train a bit more

  Thanks guys and best regards,
  StormtheBrain

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  There will be Jund
  • sodoyouwearacape

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  @hierarchnoble As is tradition on the Drain.

  I give us about 10 more posts before someone shouts "Restrict mental Misstep!"

  That said, re: Jund--I feel like we should be casting at least some deck smoothers. Maybe something like Faithless Looting? Or Sylvan Library?

  Just having 2x Chains isn't going to solve the problem of "ah crap, they drew a lot of cards"--I'd rather have the ability to just keep on K-Commanding/Scab Clan Berserkering them.

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  [DOM] Dominaria Rules Change
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  By the rules above, Blightening should still be able to hit planeswalkers. The discard 2 cards is not part of a calculation or information used to determine damage. Its simply a secondary effect of the spell. A player with 0 cards in hand can be targeted and damaged by blightening so there is no reason a planeswalker couldn't be. And the discarding 2 cards has no affect or bearing on the damage done to the player. I guess we'll have to wait for the errata to be sure, but from the rules above, blightening should still hit planeswalkers.

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  [DOM] - Leaked Promo cards (New cards)
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  @maximumcdawg said in [DOM] - Leaked Promo cards (New cards):

  Where... where do you rub it

  Don't ask / Don't tell.

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  What decks (if any) will use Damping Sphere?
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  Closing this thread to move discussion to the in-progress thread on this topic here: http://themanadrain.com/topic/1791/damping-sphere ! : )

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  Deck Idea, Would Like to Hear Thoughts
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  If I had access to White I'd be playing Kambal over Scab Clan, it's basically a hedge against combo while having relevance Blue decks. Null Rod is mostly there for Outcome and to help against workshops while having all of the artifact removal so that Ravager can't gain value off of the removal or Ballista shoot your creatures in response to removal. A big finisher would be nice not sure which one to use. Pack Rat also seems interesting with Punishing Fire and three main deck Ancient Grudges. As for my meta I was only playing online so that's what I go by.

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  Most Optimal Sub-Optimal Deck Construction
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  @desolutionist You know I never really thought about this before, but I think there could be a place for Filter Lands? I've played 4 Volcanic Islands to support Shattering Spree before. I know you wouldn't run 4x, but a Cascade Bluffs could actually be better than Volcanic Island for hitting {R}{R}. It could be pretty relevant for cards like Chandra, Torch of Defiance as well

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  {SCD} Cards like Quirion Dryad
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  @shax said in {SCD} Cards like Quirion Dryad:

  [it's] like Lorescale Coatl except it keeps the counters.

  For what it's worth, Lorescale Coatl keeps its counters. Go hog wild

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  Dominaria Spoilers Leaked in Release Notes
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  flying Foundry Inspector