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  Spell Snare - Time for a comeback?
  • craw_advantage

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  I tried EW tp8 landstill decklist with an additional Spell Snare in the main and it was golden. However, I played mainly vs. Oath, Jeskai and Pyromancer lists.

  At first I was a little reluctant to try it, but playing with 4 MM and 2 Snapcasters, the Snares are "always" protected. I was really impressed by the performance of the card and the "security" it provides when holding it specially in a deck with so many counters.

  I would try to upwards it to 3 if possible as you want it to be a hard counter in turns 3+ vs. Xerox style lists.

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  Read the Runes
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  Could you elaborate? What cards are benefitting from this. Do you mean the discard or the sacrifice? Also just fyi, this was played in vintage in the past in dragon.

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  Taigam, Ojutai Master
  • Rat3dE

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  @pugsuperstar

  In a format maindecking Pyros and stp, it is a really a “Brian Kelly in XMas Land special” (as Chubby and Diophan say) to have him going (even if you have Last Word MMs). I have played against testing mate Antoni Sànchez who plays it in LCV with 1-2 Caverns and it is a real nightmare if you play blue, but it could be any other thread in the Xerox shell.

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  Ultimate Masters
  • John Cox

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  Since wotc have gone back on every single promise they've made over the years, except one, maybe this is a sign that it's getting closer to abolishing the reserved list
  Honestly, the number of people that would be happy without the RL would vastly exceed the number of people that still want it in place.
  The whole reason for Master sets and Masterpieces were to satisfy the players wanting more reprints. Obviously selling more product along the way.
  They proved, not explicitly, that original printings of cards can retain higher value over newer printings, save foil versions. Especially in the long run.
  At least from My observations.

  My two cents.

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  [GOR] Niv-Mizzet, Parun
  • evouga

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  I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, but Gisella doubles Niv-Mizzet, Parun's damage. Sylvan Library is a guaranteed three damage even if you do not pay life to draw additional cards. The Fire side of Fire//Ice will effectively deal three, while the Ice side will deal two and draw two cards. Jace, the Mindsculptor deals three damage from the draws.

  Niv-Mizzet Parun has been very effective in my Oath decks, but it took some practice. If it is second or third creature to Oath into, or if one other creature is in your hand, I consider refraining from using Oath again because of the potential of getting decked from Niv's draw ability. I still use Inferno Titan in the sideboard because of its utility against planeswalkers, Shops, and Survival.

  The card's biggest weakness is Pyroblast. However, it is not as weak as could be assumed. It is most vulnerable to the spell when it is hard cast and the Oath player is tapped out. Otherwise the counter battle to follow can cause the game to spiral out of control for the opponent even if they manage to get Niv-Mizzet off the board. I think the biggest downside I have found with the card is its vulnerability to Karakas. All three creatures I play are Legendary, so I really need the Inferno Titan in the sideboard.

  I basically consider this as my main deck replacement for Inferno Titan at the moment. It is very good against Paradoxical Outcome Decks, and has game against most decks game one. Oath needed some type of upgrade to compete because it has been struggling for quite a while. Oath feels like a tier 1 deck too me again because of this card.

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  Misdirection
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  I've used Misdirection in various decks over the last year and a half. I had the most success with it in Oath, and some with Xerox. I do not think that Xerox wants this card at all. Oath could probably play one, but the metagame would probably need to be rather blue with even Survival being the blue version. Otherwise, the card is far too narrow. Even when I do include it in the deck, I can go entire leagues without using it once. I either do not draw it, or I draw it after it would have mattered.

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  Coercive Portal
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  @rat3de

  Like @Prospero said, that kind of effect to be good in controlling Shops/Stax lists. But I've found Bottled Cloister to be much better in those lists as it pairs so nicely with Ensnaring Bridge. The controlling lists are regrettably not Tier 1 by any stretch, but they can be just competitive enough to be fun. Of course, if you're looking for an effect to keep in against blue pilots, then Cloister is a big liability given what can happen when it is stolen or destroyed. This is not an issue against Shops, of course, but still can matter against Dredge on the anti-hate plan. In any case, the Cloister/Bridge synergy still did wonders for me against Shops/Dredge with my controlling lists this year.

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  True-Name Nemesis
  • Rat3dE

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  TNN gets really better when played with some equipments such as Jitte. This happens in Legacy but equipments are not (often) played in Vintage.

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  [DRK] Blood Moon
  • BandsWithOthers

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  @nedleeds

  That’s a great question. I haven’t really tested blood sun since the beginning when I was running a different build.

  For starters I don’t think a deck can run both Blood Sun and Blood Moon because one of the greatest abilities of Sun is to take lands offline entirely. Playing a moon would allow them to tap it for something. It’s also too much of the same effect that really isn’t that back breaking.

  The most material interaction would be Sun against Dredge and their access to nature’s claim allowing them back in the game. Whereas moon takes all of that away.

  It would be an improvement vs Jeskai and Grixis becauze of the card drawing and turning fetchlands offline entirely. Sun is much worse against BUG lists. I think Assassin’s trophy will uptick the number of BUG lists in the format.

  It would be better than moon against PO, for fetchlands and your own sol lands.

  VS MUD, I would deny them mana and change their lands, which makes Moon much better. Blood sun does nothing to Ancient Tomb and Mishra’s Workshop. Blood sun makes them unable to activate Wasteland and Mishra’s Factory.....that’s basically a blank.

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  Price of Progress
  • LegacyGuy

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  Additionally red spells (and effects like Chandra, Torch's +1) that didn't target the opponent got absolutely demolished with the Planeswalker damage redirection rules changes.

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  Transmute Artifact
  • moorebrother1

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  @garbageaggro said in Transmute Artifact:

  Grim monolith and mana vault are both friends with transmute, as is painter combo, if you really want to play it.

  I mean, all of these still play well with Tinker first and foremost, which leads you down the same evaluation path.

  Here is where my head is. If you could construct a reason to play mono blue transmute gets a bit of value but for the life of me I cannot think of a list that can justify that. Let's say you wanted to do some sort of Turbo Timevault thing. Your still going to run off color moxen because you need targets but I GUESS you could start here:

  1 Ancestral
  1 Timewalk
  1 Brainstorm
  1 Ponder
  5 Moxen
  1 Sol ring
  1 Mana crypt
  1 Mana vault
  1 Black Lotus
  4 Force of will
  4 Mental Misstep
  1 Tinker
  4 Voltaic Key
  4 Voltaic Servant
  1 time vault
  1 Mystical Tutor
  1 Merchant scroll
  X Transmute Artifact

  Now just as a thought experiment, answer these questions

  What actual value are you realistically getting out of going mono blue? With all the ramp would you not be better off running copies of Tezz first? Is transmute still worth using over other possible blue tutor options like personal tutor, or even more xerox pieces like Preordain, Gush, Treasure Cruise, etc?

  It just seems like there is simply too much competition for that slot. Tinker is most of the time a card that you win the game off of because your game plan around it is to set up protection the turn you go off. Every Transmute you also run in your deck is one less counterspell potentially to protect the wincon. In this regard the 3 mana versus 2 mana (if you are so lucky) is almost irrelevant since it is not something you are rushing out until your protection is in place.

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  [GRN] Molderhulk
  • BlindTherapy

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  @oestrus will do. appreciate it. i will probably be making a purchase of some stuff at the end of the month.

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  [GRN] Experimental Frenzy
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  I use to build decks not for competitive play but just to see how high turn1 win % i can get undisrupted. Just goldfishing and if i cant win turn 1 i start over. I have an artifact heavy build of frenzy that shows some promise in that regard. It plays belcher and Krark-Clan Ironworks as well as helm-top-grapeshot. Chromatic star, grim monolith, 1 workshop and crop rotation with 4 land grant and 2 taigas. Lots of fun goldfishing, but still mostly a turn 2 deck, will see how it goes.

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  [GRN] Mission Briefing
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  @fsecco said in [GRN] Mission Briefing:

  @khahan I'm just saying that if you want to actually stress test the card, you should play more than one. Otherwise your results are anedoctal at best

  I tested a few copies in the 2 weeks leading up to the tournament, but didn't get enough time to really give it a good go. I went with 1 because of the number of shops decks in my meta. Its sided out in games 2/3 against shops because of the UU cost. Going to continue testing but honestly will probably go a different direction.

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  [GOR] Creeping Chill
  • Oestrus

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  next expansion

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  [GOR] Ral, Izzet Viceroy
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  I have been testing with this guy and he is awesome. He literally closes out the game and he does it faster than Terferi. He may or may not work in Xerox. I'm going to try that next and the run some leagues and see how I finish but at first glance he is really good.

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  Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
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  @evouga Remoras?

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  [GOR] Mnemonic Betrayal
  • MaximumCDawg

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  Seems very strong with Mindtwist, or Thoughtsieze/Hymn affects. Could a mill variant based around this card as a 4 of become a thing?

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  [GOR] Discovery // Dispersal
  • Protoaddct

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  Dredge would likely never cast the second half so mental note and thought scour seem like better options, if only because dredge with mana tends to be rainbow.