@reprint I mean, you can very actively take your high horse and shove it, until Maro posted a clarification that was on twitter and not on the official wizards channels this was entirely new to the format.

@marland_moore In Christmasland scenarios where you play Urza and activate Karn in the same turn, Kaya is better. In 99% other scenarios, Copy Artifact is cheaper, on color and more flexible.

An issue with this card is that it's a bad turn 1 play on the play as there is often nothing to exile except maybe a land. But I do like a lot the flexibility it has over similar cards as you get some immediate value, and you get more of a choice on what you want to hate on.

@blindtherapy I mean this is a side grade in the same way that all 1 mana grave hate artifacts are. It is probably more of a side grade to soul guide lantern than relic to be honest.

@moorebrother1 To be clear, I agree with your conclusion that the card is unlikely to see a lot of play, but I don't think it's because of Ragavan and DRC. I just don't think you can reliably play a 1RR card in basically any deck.

@protoaddict said in [VOW] Cultivator Colossus:

There are also the DFCs from Zendikar so you could conceivably stack the deck with cards this sees as lands, though most of them would probably be too weak.

the DFCs work the opposite of this way; they are all lands on the back.

this card combos with Abundance to put all your lands into play tapped and then put the rest of your deck in any order; this is probably just an EDH card.

@protoaddict said in [VOW] Grolnok, the Omnivore:

How does this interact with Leyline of the void, would you get your counters? if so it could be a good bullet against that.

you get nothing vs a leyline, because they need to actually hit the yard for grolnok to trigger; leyline or rip just shit it down entirely.

Why not play both!?!? (Hint: because you would be playing a very, very, very bad deck)

@wagner Time Sieve + Hard Evidence + Secrets of the Key + Foul Play

There is your bad combo, just add random reanimate target.

For semi-good combo use Grinding Station instead of Time Sieve, but it's still bad.

@ian-mars Yeah, I've had to reformulate my entire list because non of the cards from AFR Commander are available. It's fine though as I'm not sure my Humans deck was the best home for the card. The RR in its casting cost is a real issue because My deck has 3 basic plains (for Magus of the Moon) as well as 4 Cavern of Souls and 4 Wasteland effects. That makes getting RR kinda a challenge. So maybe it's all for the best. LOL.

@stormanimagus said in [MID] Lier, Disciple of the Drowned:

I'd say use it in Oath but if your opponent pyroblasts it you can't counter their blast. Darn.

Apostle’s Blessing and Dive Down help. You can flash them back from the yard after milling them with Oath.

@serracollector I keep adding it and removing. Believe it or not - paying life actually matters in the format right now if you are not a super aggro or an over the top combo deck paying life really matter. It's why I am not playing Deep Analyse.

I think that there are too many auto includes in Blue decks right now and I am experimenting with adding and removing these auto includes: Gitaxian Probe, Merchant Scroll, Gush, Treasure Cruise and Narset.

I have just starting really playing again and the format is super fast right now. Tempo decks like Delver will struggle if they cannot get pressure on the board fast and protect it. Probe does not help protect the threat.

@revengeanceful By me completely forgetting what that card said...

Looks like I was actually playing it in Legacy Ascendancy with Lingering Souls and a cheeky Ancient Grudge

@cattleprod
The back side is clearly vastly better than the front.

@stormanimagus
I have been proxying this in breach its real good.

mmm cc3 is a lot for a 2/3.
you play it turn2/3 and then wait one full turn to get your extra land. In mid game it's easier to get that land and play it. Without coven is too slow (even if intel is always good).
It pitches !
in the end it's playable but slow/unexciting.

@botvinik said in [MIC] Gorex, the Tombshell:

The reason I have rather little hope for this card in vintage is the decks that can use that body effectively, get creatures in the yard fast enough to activate it, and make black mana to cast it, would much rather have cards in the yard for things like the gak then cast a 2 mana 4/4. This is a bad sign but the ability is interesting and maybe saves it? Unfortunately, no delver would really like its spells back in it's hand but hogaak wants them in the yard to take advantage of. Keep in mind I am not a zombie lord my skill lies far more with the doomsday decks so I may just be wrong but this one looks like a miss to me.

Gak requires far more of a commitment to include, since the delve number is so high. This needs 3 creatures which you can typically just get in the yard through course of play. There are probably also some shenanigans you can do with Anger and the like to make this more aggressive. It reminds me a little of Soulflayer, which has always been a pet card of mine, in that it needs a creature heavy shell to work, but as pointed out Wraith and Deaths shadow both work great here as well.

Very good, the anti oko work may even mean you play one or two in jeskai if you expect a large amount of BUG.

@magicmike

I really don't want to run it, you know how tight the list is these days, more likely we would see a return of the maindeck chain.