@thewhitedragon69 You are absolutely correctly, that this is just is. My point here was something that @Smmenen brought up in their last podcast. Vintage has always been a format that exploits fast and free spells. My point about MH1 and MH2 is that we got a lot more "free" spells and many more fast spells that have really locked the format into it's arch types.

I'm not making a judgement, more of a statement about format identity.

@dshin
One way to do this (assuming no one already has) would be to make a bot to record play draw and winners and throw it as some of the streamers YouTube vids. This would yield a fairly large data set relative to the rather small vintage community although it would have a number of unfortunate confounding factors.

@marland_moore It's easiest for LGSs because they have the audience daily and the location, but all you really need is a location and the will to put in the work to organize. You have the internet at your disposal, so between Discord, Facebook, Twitter, email, and even posting fliers at your LGS (most owners will let you if it's advertising an event that doesn't compete with their business), you should be able to cast a wide net and drum up a decent showing. It is work, and procuring the venue and prize support is the only challenge (unless you do cash split)...and you run the risk of losing $ if you do a guaranteed mox or something.

What I think you're really saying isn't that there's a lack of Vintage in Detroit...but there's a lack of Vintage events people other than yourself are putting in the effort to organize.

@marland_moore
Magic has become expensive. It's not just the cards but paying for leagues when your just starting out is rough too. It is what it is imo.

@john-cox

Just get FBB swamps. Or spend a little extra for betas

Thought I would mention. There's a full proxy Vintage web cam Discord now also. If you feel like playing with paper and can't (because of Covid, or your deck is worth more than your house). This is an option!
https://discord.gg/T6fMwZYH

Merry Christmas! 🎄☃️🎅🦌

@blindtherapy I'm not sure if this has changed but MTGTop8 didn't always contain every list in every event the last time I tried to use it. I think it depended on users inputting results and that typically only happened if someone cared enough to do so (like with decks they were personally interested in). The data from Goldfish is very different...

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I like it quite a bit.

There will always be Vintage players; whether or not they have access to Moxen/Power is another question. It's a shame prices are driven by jerkwad collectors these days vs. actual players; however, I need a downpayment for a house and hopefully the Moxes will fill the gap. That being said, going to a "Vintage" tournament w/o proxies it tough to find but when you do, you can usually wreck shop. We used to have a following here in Houston for proxy tournies but I am unsure if anyone still plays.

My biggest peeve about any event is the fact you have to prove you actually own the cards and carrying cool fifty thousand in your pocket just to prove you are legit is a little risky.

@throwaway
I should clarify contemporary vintage as online vintage. In that case, the current meta is less relevant to an article that quickly goes obsolete. Streaming captures that much better and is (IMO) a better medium for that content. At least much better than a podcast that takes a month to develop and publish.
Vintage also doesn't have the audience it had over the first few years of SMIP. There were several monthly power tournaments in most of the world. There were pick up games of no proxy vintage between games of standard. The world has changed.
I originally got into vintage because there were more vintage tournaments than legacy tournaments in my area and the barrier to entry was about the same.
I like when SMIP covers MODO, they usually do summarily, and I'm fine with that.

That's really sad news Rob. I played against Nick in the 2007 Top 8. He was a nice guy and it's awful to see that he's passed at a young age. Condolences to you and to everyone he was close to.

@botvinik

Yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Magic:the_Gathering_Standard(Type_II)

And all of the major tournaments have decklists and coverage on wizards main site.

What a wonderful thing to hear.

@moorebrother1 Hey man, sorry to hear you had a rough 2020 and glad to hear you're doing a bit better. Really glad to have you as part of the community. I'll take a listen to this podcast for sure, the mental side of the game is really important.