@john-cox https://discord.gg/2eVcsjK

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@optionparalysis said in Buying cards on eBay?:

Ebay has an untold amount of problems for both sellers and buyers. You're more likely to get both a cheaper and authentic product through TCGPlayer or messaging store owners directly.

EBay just bought TCGPlayer so tread lightly on both.

https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/TCGplayer-and-eBay-An-Exciting-New-Chapter-for-the-Collectibles-Community/52341206-934b-4eda-8936-dfd0f8ecb48d

@marland_moore You're running into the same kind of "limited tourney availability" that all of us have (outside of major cities). You have to drum up the support and do the organizing yourself. It's a headache and a lot of work, but I was able to get 14-person vintage tourneys for a while at a local shop when I tried years ago. If you don't go hard, you'll likely get 8 or less from just LGS players.

Old School players seem to be more willing to travel to good tourneys. They're older and have more $ in general, and while families tie them up, they will fly away for a weekend of good old school. They tend to play infrequently since OS isn't available all the time and never online. So you can enjoy local OS tourneys if you put in the work. If you build it, they will come.

You may want to check Old Frame (https://www.mtgoldframe.com/), which is a format I invented that tries to bring us back to those days.

We started by using almost the original banned and restricted list, except for obviously needed changes like restricting Flash and Time Vault as we play with current rules.

Then, we made some extra changes, like restricting Merchant Scroll and unrestricting cards like Entomb.

We also added the rest of the Old Frame sets that weren't allowed those days, which are Starter 1999 and the 3 Portal sets.

It may not be 100% what Vintage looked like those days, but I think all these changes make the format better. Using current rules and errata also makes things easier for those that play other formats.

We run a bimonthly online league and there's also a live league in Madrid. You can join our Facebook, Discord and Whatsapp group if you want to learn more.

@rap Goatbots has nice price history features

https://www.goatbots.com/card/double-masters-2022-full-set

@thewhitedragon69 You are absolutely correctly, that this is just is. My point here was something that @Smmenen brought up in their last podcast. Vintage has always been a format that exploits fast and free spells. My point about MH1 and MH2 is that we got a lot more "free" spells and many more fast spells that have really locked the format into it's arch types.

I'm not making a judgement, more of a statement about format identity.

@dshin
One way to do this (assuming no one already has) would be to make a bot to record play draw and winners and throw it as some of the streamers YouTube vids. This would yield a fairly large data set relative to the rather small vintage community although it would have a number of unfortunate confounding factors.

@marland_moore It's easiest for LGSs because they have the audience daily and the location, but all you really need is a location and the will to put in the work to organize. You have the internet at your disposal, so between Discord, Facebook, Twitter, email, and even posting fliers at your LGS (most owners will let you if it's advertising an event that doesn't compete with their business), you should be able to cast a wide net and drum up a decent showing. It is work, and procuring the venue and prize support is the only challenge (unless you do cash split)...and you run the risk of losing $ if you do a guaranteed mox or something.

What I think you're really saying isn't that there's a lack of Vintage in Detroit...but there's a lack of Vintage events people other than yourself are putting in the effort to organize.

@marland_moore
Magic has become expensive. It's not just the cards but paying for leagues when your just starting out is rough too. It is what it is imo.

@john-cox

Just get FBB swamps. Or spend a little extra for betas

Thought I would mention. There's a full proxy Vintage web cam Discord now also. If you feel like playing with paper and can't (because of Covid, or your deck is worth more than your house). This is an option!
https://discord.gg/T6fMwZYH

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