@brass-man said in HollowVine / Survivalless Survival:

I agree with @Rat3dE . I can't speak for everyone who runs [[The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale]], but it's a reasonable choice in specific matchups. Like you said, the HollowVine decks don't run a ton of mana to support a Tabernacle, but you'd bring it in only against decks that are even less equipped to handle it.

It looks like partially The Tabernacle is a response to a specific metagame. Is this still the case now?

I don't play online and very irregularly play in paper so my knowledge of the metagame is quite outdated. Nevertheless, I was under impression that Dredge is getting leaner and meaner as a response to fast combos and mid-range controls, not to mentions thanks to new forces (let the force be with us).

I noticed that in the Vintage Challenge #12130342 Dredge and HollowVine 6-1'ed. It would be interesting to hear from the players, but I have no idea if PTarts2win or WingedHussar has a TMD account.

I'm conflicted about the benefit of the blue pitch counters over Thalia/Collector Ouphe. I played some games against Andy with Paradoxical Outcome and found it pretty unlikely to beat Thalia/Collector Ouphe on turn 1. I liked how proactive the deck was and it forced me to try to mulligan into hands that had Force of Will along with early action.

Cloud of Fairies for Clamp, and cool stuff with bazaar and academy, or too fun?

Yeah there’s been an active discussion about it for the last month or so in another thread.

http://themanadrain.com/topic/2900/new-graveyard-approaches-with-hogaak-in-vintage-post-aug-2019-b-r-announcement/32

This is such a great write-up and primer for the deck. Great work!

Great post, Matt! Absolutely top quality.