Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian review Throne of Eldraine, for Vintage.

0:01:00: Announcements
0:16:25: Modern Horizons Report Card
0:59:00: Throne of Eldraine Mechanics
1:04:12: Wishclaw Talisman
1:46:50: Once Upon a Time
2:01:00: Mystical Dispute
2:06:10: Shimmer Dragon
2:10:10: Witch’s Vengeance
2:20:00: Questing Beast
2:27:20: Emry, Lurker of the Loch
2:34:51: Deafening Silence
3:22:55: Stonecoil Serpent
3:34:47: Robber of the Rich
Total runtime: 3:50:50

Show Notes
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Hi all, we do occasionally dabble in Vintage and this weekend our host Zac made top 8 at the Mana Drain open. Here's the cast with deck and meta discussion and a tournament report. enjoy!

https://anchor.fm/eternaldurdles/episodes/Zac-top-8s-the-Mana-Drain-Vintage-Open-e7mkh6

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    @protoaddict I think you guys are making it all more complicated than it needs to be. Just use proxies. Have unsanctioned tourneys. I can sell out and play 60 card proxy decks of any make that I want. I can play every card in the game and just enjoy the game and the community. Screw real cards. It's all just cardboard anyway. WotC doesn't need to do a damn thing - and they never will. They don't care. They are printing money to sell to the folks that for some reason feel the need to own real cards. Just make some sweet proxies, run your own events, and have fun.

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  • I just want to point out that no matter how crazy the format prices become, it is not just MTG. Pokemon has cards that have spiked in value in more outlandish fashion and they are cards that are terrible by and large, not format staples. It's all about collectors in these other hobbies.

    I think we do need to accept the fact that fixing this issue is not removing the RL, because that does not address the one way street of power creep in the format, and it is not printing more powerful cards to invalidate the RL stuff, because that never works. It is very likely a reshaping of the entire format and maybe even the game. I think it was the wrong way but companions, and Lurris specifically was a good example of this. Incentivize players not to use the broken stuff for other broken stuff that precluded the use of the RL stuff. We did not show good tolerance for this change in the format but I suspect something similar would be needed to get us out of the spot we are in.

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    Land Tax- Scroll Rack is highly effective although it requires sacrifices both in mana base construction and in playing some number of cards that aren't good without the other piece and provide little additional value in duplicate.

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    @pilsburydohboy42 said in Price Spikes & Paper Vintage:

    @protoaddict said in Price Spikes & Paper Vintage:

    Collectors are worse for the game in the long run, if you really want to compare the 2. Finance people gain no benefit from sitting on inventory they cannot move, so eventually those cards filter back into the market. The price may spike but if no one is paying it, eventually it will drop.

    There is no way that the very slowly dwindling availability of these cards because they found forever homes is worse for this game than artificially and massively raising demand of said cards.

    Short term yes but long term no.

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