For episode 38, Geoff Moes (@ThallidTosser on Twitter), Nat Moes (@GrandpaBelcher), and Josh Chapple (@joshchapple) talk with Matt Hazard (@winedope) about the most recent invitational Vintage tournament he held at his house, and how you can host similar local events.

00:30 – Matt Hazard, Magic Man
01:00 – Just Because We Haven’t Adequately Tested London Mulligan Doesn’t Mean We Can’t Share Extremely Uninformed Opinions About It
08:20 – The Return of the Hazardvitational and How to Host Your Own
Total runtime: 40:43

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Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian analyze the London Mulligan for Vintage, including its impact on individual decks, pregame procedures, matchups, and the metagame.

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0:01:00: Announcements
0:02:40: VSL Updates
0:25:40: The London Mulligan announcement and general impacts
0:58:00: Mathematics and specific impacts
1:51:15: Predictions and likelihood for implementation


  • T

    @khahan Interseting. The Type 4 versions I've heard of are here:

    Both versions have infinite mana and a 1-spell-per-turn limitation. Both draft 60 card decks from a pile though. A shared zone game is great, and the 200 card deck keeps things interesting enough game after game. The balance between colors also helps.

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  • K

    @thewhitedragon69 said in New "Vintage" Casual Format: Limitless Singleton Stack:

    @khahan Yeah, Type 4 was the inspiration for this format, but instead of drafting decks, you play with one shared library and grave, which makes for REALLY fun interactions/play lines and makes ungodly-awful cards like "Whisk Away" into a brutal turn of fortunes. The haymaker aspect of Type 4 is intact, but the shared zones really makes this format amazing.

    Maybe its regional. The t4 we played in my area was what you are describing - shared library, shared graveyard, infinite mana. Just 1 spell per turn per person seems to be the main difference. 🙂

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  • T

    @revengeanceful In my stack, I don't use unglued cards, but that you certainly could. I like cards that interact with the one library, one grave feature particularly. There are some neat combos like Temporal Spring a ridiculous creature your opponent controls, then on their upkeep follow up with Summoning Trap. Cards like Apprentice Necromancer that are usually limited in use become pretty nutty when you can reanimate any creature your opponent controlled and you killed.

    You can build any number of stacks to play with out of your chaff boxes of terrible cards, which I like even more than Cube or regular Type 4. Cards that were absolute ass can be absurdly great with a shared library and grave!

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  • If you don't have Yet Another Aether Vortex in the stack, you absolutely should. Maybe active player controls the creature? We used to play Type 4 with this card always in play and it was a blast.

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