I came across a really interesting article and i thought id share.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09828

The author claims that deciding who will win a game of magic is at least as undecidable as the halting problem... which is pretty nutso. I need to delve deeper because I'm curious if the variance at play when cards are randomly shuffled or drawn is critical to the result or not.

Anyway, I guess this shows magic is harder than chess, huh?

@Smmenen this seems right up your ally brah

For episode 39, Geoff Moes (@ThallidTosser on Twitter), Nat Moes (@GrandpaBelcher), and Josh Chapple (@joshchapple) talk about the role of planeswalkers in Vintage, speculate baselessly about some new cards in War of the Spark, and discuss sous vide and other novel methods of cooking.

https://www.eternalcentral.com/serious-vintage-episode-39-planeswalking-around-town/

Here’s the timestamped table of contents for your listening ease and enjoyment:
00:42 – A Brief, Half-Educated History of Planeswalkers in Vintage
26:56 – What Do We Do With 36 New Planeswalkers?
43:16 – Sous Vide? So What?
Total runtime: 55:29

  • (I wrote this.) Thanks for sharing this, Sam. This was an enjoyable project for me to work on. 7000 words, so I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for not reading. But likewise, I’d love anyone’s feedback.

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    Some scattered thoughts...

    Maybe both Golos and a companion can be used, in order to have multiple mana sink options? Golos might want to pull in black mana sources (black lands, Deathrite Shaman), which then opens the door to tutors, which in turn could bring more consistency to a highlander deck. Not to mention the Coalition Victory dream...

    Alternatively, if going down the Yorian route, perhaps the Risen Reef/Young Pyromancer/Chandra, Acolyte of Flame package could make sense. After all, both Omnath and Yorian’s ETB have some synergy with Risen Reef. Your RUG Elementals deck thread noted that the inability to run Force of Vigor due to lack of green cards hurt the deck; maybe the addition of Omnath and Sylvan Library can help reach the required critical mass of green cards. Also, I think the cost of having a card like Blightsteel in your deck diminishes the larger your deck size, as the probability of drawing it decreases, so Yorian might justify bringing in a Tinker package...which might warrant bringing in Golos as a potential Tinker target.

    Volrathxp appears to have tried a Yorian Elementals deck, using an inferior Omnath.

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  • @chubbyrain1

    Congrats on the finish.

    I think you are definitely into something in terms of a mana sink. I’m not sure if a Companion is the best option there, they are nice for the guarantee, but the deck limitations are pretty severe for the effect now with the tax included in their cost.

    What other mana sinks are there? Well there is Urza, and there is also Golos. That is a couple of very powerful ones, especially with big spells in your deck.

    You can also just go down the route of using him to reliably generate 4 different colors of mana. This may be the intersection with a companion, Jegantga, but that would exclude basically all pitch spells. So the deck would need other ways to interact. You can throw in a Coalition Victory here as an out to instant win some games.

    This is to say there are probably a few routes one could go with this.

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    5-0'd

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3423382#online

    If you are running a companion, you always have something to do with your Omnath mana and you don't have to run cards like Ugin that might be dead draws if you can't stick and Omnath.

    As for particular tech, Sevinne's Reclamation is great, as a value card, as a mana sink for Omnath mana, and as a way to hit multiple land drops in a turn if you need to (used it against Dredge to get back Tabernacle).

    Had several powerful sequences enabled by Omnath such as

    Companion Tax on Lutri, Ancestral, Lutri Omnath, Draw Narset, fetch, into play Narset, reveal and cast Time Walk (had an extra Blue) Sevinne + Flashback on multiple planeswalkers.

    Omnath was also a Green card for Force of Vigor, which was pretty nice against the Golos Stax deck.

    I favor this approach to a ramp deck that is all in playing Omnath, Locus Creation. While you might associate your build as a control deck, the presence of 28 or so lands really cuts down on your ability to interact with the stack and that will make things difficult in Vintage given the density of combo decks.

    I also had experience playing Ugin in Vintage and this is not the metagame for it. The first times were during the Treasure Cruise era when I was trying to Drain a Cruise into an Ugin. The second time was a Rector Flash build with Narset unrestrict and a lot a Arcanist decks running around. Ugin does well against the URx decks that can't remove it while it just picks off all the creatures and walkers. Against Shops, Combo, and Dredge with Hollow One, Ichorids, Vengevines, it's not a good answer to the threats. Certainly not for the investment.

    If someone argues that this isn't a true Omnath deck, I think a very reasonable approach is to try and explore Yorion next. But I did feel that Omnath gave a style of deck that had fallen out of favor a very real boost.

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