@brass-man

Fair I didn't really go into a huge amount of detail and just focused on the fun part of seeing your opponent bring in 8 dead cards.

Yes but I did say I was going out on a limb, it's a bold claim and could well not be true 🙂

As for the dead cards, the only completely dead ones are the bridges, you can cast Dread Return, it doesn't come up, you can cast the narcos & pitch them to FOW, Lab Man again is castable but not ideal and is deep Analysis.

Definitely easier to transform Oath into OmniTell as you said due to the creatures being in the deck already. The advantage with this transform is that you tend to get your opponent way more in the board with the exception of Containment Priest, however you can play around that.

TBH I think the suggestions from this thread of using Angel of Glory's Rise instead of Deep Analysis are good and I've made that change to the list, didn't fully agree on the Azami, sure it gives you slightly more resilience but Snapcaster probe seems a fraction better and limits the number of dead cards.

You can resolve Oath, untap and not win the game whether it be through not having a Forbiden Orchard or simply that Emrakul wont get it done, tbf Griselbrand does 95+% of the time I would imagine.

Testing has gone really well, it's been quite a long process. The original build had Concordant Crossroads, Cavern of Souls and was just a silly turn 1 win or lose deck.

I think that Thoughtseize is really fantastic in Vintage , so many decks have specific cards in them the deck is trying to find, like Oath, PO etc and being able to take the one card they need leaving the rest is pretty strong.PO especially will keep a hand that either has a PO, Tinker, maybe even a draw 7 and nothing else so the Thoughtseizes are pretty great there.

Aggro Shops is an awful match up game 1, Revoker & Ballista are close to unbeatable, improves a lot game 2 as they tend to weaken their deck a bit bringing in graveyard hate, needles etc and also use Revoker/ Needle to name Hermit Druid.

I like the PO matchup, the hand disruption is very good and they have no way to interact with Druid apart from usually a 1 of bounce card. The problem is they don't have a heavy sideboard for graveyard hate usually just some crypts.

Storm - good matchup, hand disruption is king here.
Oath is usually a good matchup made so by the Abrupt decays, but your show and tell plan can be a little less good if you don't have a discard spell and they draw Grisselbrand. Also unless there's Inferno Titan if you play a druid into an oath, your win percentage is not TERRIBLE, but not great either.

I haven't lost to dredge....yet, but their game 1 Leyline is close to unbeatable. The new Abrupt decay coming out of Ravnica looks like it will slot right into this list.

Big fan of your lists btw Brian, try this one out and see what you think 🙂

@bactgudz They are worth considering perhaps 3 shops and a mox might be right. The advantage workshop does have is that most of the time it will be a Savannah and you often need all the mana you can get in lands. Having played with 4 X Shops I haven't found it to be a hinderance that much of the time but yeah for sure there are occasions where you don't get the Riftstone, one small advantage shops has and it's only come up a couple of times is that sometimes casting the Serum Powder is the correct play if you need that bit more mana, usually you just hold it and discard to Bazaar.

This list still needs a couple of slight changes and playing 3 shops could be well be the best way to do it.

Cloud of Fairies for Clamp, and cool stuff with bazaar and academy, or too fun?

Current build.

Moved away from Consecrated Sphinx, it was fun but i wasn't playing enough lands to get there, even with Drain.

Speaking of, took out Drain and added a couple lands (blue duals). Still have Bayou and Badlands. They just feel so flexible, having 4 colors on 2 lands, and being able to Abrupt Decay or Abrade if i want both open on turn 2.

3 Dacks right now, but thinking about making one a Mind Sculptor again, or another Notion Thief. I do like where i am at, and not having too many dead cards against shops Game 1.

Still not on the Preordain train. I like having extra power cards. I don't know necessarily that my thinking is right, but sometimes it just feels like not enough win cards, even if you see them on time sometimes they just get blasted away. So i have a little more raw power "do something" spells that don't simply filter. And i am also on 3 Dacks right now.

Playing with a Life From the Loam in the sideboard, i got to toy around with that against white eldrazi hatebears.

Has anyone experimented with any card similar to Izzet Charm? I don't know what else exists, and i don't necessarily think Charm is superb. But i love the flexibility, and i would love a card that can counter a spell or remove a permanent. Seems like it rocks with Kess, too, but at the moment i am not going to test this.

Murderous Cut over Dismember? Was hesitant about 3 delve spells, but.

Sideboard is still the most confusing part of my life.

Lands (16) 1 Library of Alexandria 3 Underground Sea 2 Tropical Island 2 Volcanic Island 1 Bayou 1 Badlands 4 Polluted Delta 1 Misty Rainforest 1 Scalding Tarn Restricted Mana (5) 1 Black Lotus 4 Moxes Creatures (8) 4 Deathrite Shaman 2 Leovold 2 Notion Thief 1 Kess Planeswalker (5) 3 Dack Fayden 1 Jace TMS 1 Jace VP Removal (6) 2 Abrupt Decay 1 Dismember 1 Abrade 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Ancient Grudge Card Draw/Selection (8) 1 Painful Truths 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Ponder 1 Dig Through Time 1 Treasure Cruise 1 Gush 1 Gitaxian Probe Counters (10) 4 Force of Will 3 Mental Misstep 1 Flusterstorm 1 Mindbreak Trap 1 Red Elemental Blast Good Stuff (2) 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Time Walk Sideboard (10 1 Pyroblast 2 Energy Flux 2 Null Rod 1 Ancient Grudge 2 Subterranean Tremors 1 By Force 1 Meltdown 1 Flusterstorm 2 Toxic Deluge 2 Grafdigger's Cage