@Topical_Island So, I have been running EE for the last few daily events, and a bunch of matches in tournament practice rooms. It is only one of in the sideboard right now, but it has been pretty good. Has not come up a bunch yet, but when it's good, it is really good.
But, having played vs. shops quite a bit lately, I am beginning to think the match up is pretty favorable over all. I am not sure my overall win rate against shops. I will look through my MTGO history to try to figure that out. I know that I have lost very few matches against them. Game one is hard, but post sideboard it gets much better.
The deck has a ton of mana sources, good sideboard cards for the match up, and a big scary robot they can't beat.
Looking back I am 7-2 against shops over the last few events I have played in on-line. That does not include tournament practice matches.
@mourningpalace Hey, if you get a chance, tell me what you think of EE vs Eldrazi... I am actually going back and forth on it. It looks great 2 for 1ing Thalia and Thorn... but then there are those Eldrazi builds with tons of Null Rod, and then it just sucks.
I want to get Andy to explain why some eldrazi builds do and don't run Null btw... I don't feel like I understand that well.
i dislike vault/key in the meta due to high number of nullrod effects and i'm not a hugh fan uf misstep in the meta eighter. i run 2 snapcasters and a few one offs in those spots. it has less free wins, but i think its more consistant.
i dislike snuff out, its so bad against leovold decks and against opposing thieves/random black creatures.
@Loreno I agree, but I will say that also having Tinker into Monster makes Vault Key a little more ok to run. If they are loading up on Null, then audible to Monster makes it decent at least. The bad thing about Tinker is that it makes a dead draw in your deck. The same thing happens when you run a bunch of Null effects that can be defeated by being ignored.
@Loreno Leo/Thieves is such a small % of the meta now, that snuff out being a dead card rarely comes up. It's good against Mentor and shops.
Null rod is annoying, but as @Topical_Island said, you still have Blightsteel to tinker for. Null rod is also easy to deal with post board. It's stony silence that causes more issue.
I thought I'd see if anyone was still interested in talking about Grixis Thieves.
I like this list that I came across by Tyler Wilcox.
INSTANTS and SORC. (25)
OTHER SPELLS (16)
A few thoughts.
- I like the idea of jamming Kess into the creatures slot over a notion thief.
- Inkwell instead of Blightsteel I assume is to protect it against other Dacks Faydens and exile spells.
- Echoing truth and toxic deluge as a way to deal with boards that go wide?