I'm not a huge fan of posting or replying due to the nature of people feeling singled out over understanding that there is a discussion that "could" be had, but how is it supposed to settle if it doesn't change ?
The WotC link was up while/ before you ran the numbers ?
I think it's great that you guys break down all the numbers for people but as much as it shows what's "changing" it's fuel for the lazy crowd that just wants to copy the FotW and not build or try anything new to be like "guess I gotta play this"
Drain and tfk were already a thing?
Painter is always a deck that sees play and can be just as dangerous as any other deck available ?
What happened to Drain Nahiri Moat control??
Mentor gets less explosive somehow that deck gets worse??
I don't feel that retooling the decks of yesteryear is a challenge in any right.
Which as you stated with a format as small as vintage is bound to happen.
Hell I've.been.beating people with an unplayable
1/1 trample for 2G for almost 2 years now in this supposeded mentor only era.
The main issue we're always going to have is that they have never been able to safely transition mechanics to the older formats unless they've lowered the support card counts.
Personally I thought the format was fine when 4 lodestone was a thing chalice was what put that deck over the top.
It was fine when 4 Gush was a thing. It took almost 3 years after the unrestriction
(read printing OP win-cons) before it even took off again and even still wasn't an issue until after they axed Tcruise and DTT.
The meta is still fine now. My issue is that anyone whose played vintage extensively for the last 12-15 years can see that all the decks we've seen recently are still those same decks just retooled to whatever draw engine is legal and with new overly hyper efficient win-cons. The premises are still the same.
There are always going to be decks that can be played to prey upon whatever is on top of the hill but to say that it's changing is just something I don't understand.
People are always going to want to be able play X and not want to play against Y.
In any event @ChubbyRain @diophan thanks for your time and hard work to break down the numbers
More than likely I will not post in here again