@zebotc
I do love Chart a Course! You recommend Grafdigger's Cage, that's a card I don't like right now since oath can usually cast their creatures.
Great primer though, and always great to see more vintage content!

@stsung said in UR Delver:

The same goes to Harsh Mentor, this card in diverse metagame is not good. Against some decks you need 4, against many you'd rather see anything else than a 2/2 that occasionally hits an opponent for 2 (fetchland usually).

I think you're right that Harsh Mentor gets worse the more diverse the meta. OTOH, in a meta full of Ravagers and Ballistae, Harsh Mentor can really shine. Every time a player sacs an artifact to pump Ravager, every time a counter is removed from a Ballista to ping someone or something, every time a counter gets added to a Hangarback Walker, every time a Factory gets animated (or pumped), is a good opportunity for a Mentor to do 2 damage to that player. A single Harsh Mentor can severely disrupt a Ravager deck and multiples can be totally deadly.

On the gripping hand, Oath decks, Landstill decks, Two-Card Monte, PO decks, and just about everything else is not going to tremble in fear at a 2/2 that has little to no effect on them. If there were ever a time for maindeck Harsh Mentor to shine, the current prevalence of Ravagers should be it. (But it probably isn't.) Sideboard may be different. If this deck wants Mentors at all, think more about sideboard.

My 2 cents.
Paul

@john-cox
Yeah Chart a Course just feels really good to play sometimes. Especially in awkward spots where we run out of relevant spells to cast, but still have a bunch of stuff on board.
Thank you!

@zebotc said in UR Delver:

I wrote a guide to building and playing UR Delver if you guys wanna check it out: http://sylvanstudies.com/2017/11/01/vintage-ur-aggro/

Also have you guys tried Chart a Course? By no means is it a deck breaking card, but it’s honestly not bad, and it helps solve some issues we have late game. I feel like it’s worth trying in some builds, especially Aggro focused ones.

I have been playing Chart in my Legacy UR Delver build. It's pretty good. I haven't tested yet in Vintage (in fact I have barely played any vintage for the past couple of months). One guy I know says it's very good and has 4 in his build.

@mediumsteve
A four of seems like a lot, but since cards like Brainstorm and Probe are restricted (and mental misstep is in the format too), it makes sense. Although I feel like three to two is a good starting number.

Come to think of it, Chart a Course might actually better in Vintage than in Legacy because of Mistep and the restricted list.

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I'll test chart a course as well, it seems a nice potential addition.

A question for you guys : I already have an ancestral & a time walk, I'm thinking about which piece of power to buy next - keeping in mind I almost exclusively play UR aggro.
Would you go for a Ruby ? A library of alexandria (not power, but nearly the same to me) ? Or wait 2 or 3 month until you can afford a sapphire ?

@didor I would save up for a Sapphire.

@didor I'd get the Sapphire first, then Lotus, then Library, then Ruby.

zeb I am skeptical too but I'm just relaying what I was told. I play 3 in legacy rn.

medsteve's Power 9 Power Rankings for Delver

Ancestral
Time Walk
Sapphire
Lotus
Ruby
LoA
(other moxen for splash colors)

Thank you for your advice ! I'll start with sapphire, though will probably never be able to afford the lotus.

Yaaaayyyy thread necro.

I'm interested in Delver, but the archetype's been pretty quiet in 2018. There are a few lists on mtgtop8 from earlier this year, but for the most part, it seems like it's been supplanted by Pyromancer and UWR lists.

Is Delver just worse than the other Xerox decks? What would a 2018 Delver list look like?

@stuart This one placed 11th at SCG Con. I think it gains a card or 2 from Guilds of Ravinca

http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/121526
Artifacts
1 Black Lotus (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Mox Ruby (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Mox Sapphire (Restricted in Vintage)
2 Null Rod

Creatures
2 Containment Priest
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Young Pyromancer

Instants
1 Ancestral Recall (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Brainstorm (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Dig Through Time (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Gush (Restricted in Vintage)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Mental Misstep
1 Pyroblast

Legendary Planeswalkers
1 Dack Fayden

Sorceries
1 Gitaxian Probe (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Ponder (Restricted in Vintage)
4 Preordain
1 Shattering Spree
1 Time Walk (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Treasure Cruise (Restricted in Vintage)

Basic Lands
1 Island

Lands
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Strip Mine (Restricted in Vintage)
1 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
2 Wasteland

Sideboard:
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Containment Priest
1 Flusterstorm
2 Pyroblast
1 Wear
2 Pulverize
2 Shattering Spree
1 Mountain

Cheers @moorebrother1! The white splash here makes sense - Cavern's not something I usually see in Delver, but it works.

@stuart I played RUG delver to 6-0 in vintage side events at EW and then a top 4 in an event the week after. It’s not dead at all. The problem is no one wants to break outside of comfort zone. Why play a 1/1 when you can draw half your deck with PO turn one lol. I enjoy delver a lot in vintage and I think it’s a good choice for sure.

@ghost588 I'm pretty sure I was one of your victims - I got stomped by Tarmogoyfs when I was playing a terrible Powered Colorless Eldrazi deck.

Any chance you've got a list to share?

@stuart sorry I suck at responding. Yes- that was me! If you’re friends with the guy I beat round one on PO and got salty about losing to the green machine!! But my list was:

4 delver
4 goyf
2 young pyro
1 snapcaster
4 fow
4 misstep
1 fluster
1 daze
4 preordain
1 brainstorm
1 ponder
1 recall
1 cruise
1 dig
1 time walk
4 bolt
2 grudge
1 gush
1 probe
4 strand
3 scalding
3 volc
3 trop
2 waste
1 island
1 strip
1 lotus
1 sapphire
1 ruby
1 emerald

I really like Delver. I like that it is aggressive, plays blue cards, Pyroblast, Null Rod and Wasteland.

I considered playing it at Champs but decided to go with Survival instead because I was wary of playing a fair deck in a large tournament (and Survival is the new hotness, etc) but I had a decent amount of success (in the small sample size that I was able to play) with both URg and URw online. I was especially liking URg:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1254983

I went 33-7 with a few different versions of URg Delver in August and September of this past year. Some leagues, a lot of tournament practice matches. I especially beat up on DPS and Outcome but I didn't play Shops much and didn't trust that matchup because of that.

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I want to revisit Delver as an alternative to the Arcanist decks that have arisen.

Dan Sollazzo T4'd the SCG event last month with a UW Delver deck, featuring Lavinia: https://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=30807&iddeck=262019

Given the emergence of Narset and Karn, I'd like to explore replacing Preordains with Tutors and lowering the curve to fight the planeswalkers from the ground.

URb Delver

4 Delver of Secrets
1 Dreadhorde Arcanist
1 Narset, Parter of Veils
1 Snapcaster Mage
4 Young Pyromancer
-11
1 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Mental Misstep
1 Pyroblast
1 Spell Pierce
1 Thoughtseize
-12
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Shattering Spree
-5
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Gush
1 Ponder
1 Preordain
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Vampiric Tutor
-12
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
2 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Volcanic Island
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
-20

Sideboard
3 Pithing Needle
3 Ravenous Trap
3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Pyroblast
1 Fatal Push
3 Shattering Spree

Notable exceptions:

Dack Fayden
-Removal of off-color moxen makes it more difficult to cast
-Gets Pyroblasted and Narseted
-Has always gotten Revoked
-Dredge should not be leaving/bringing in Hollow Ones to steal
Off-color Moxen
-Idea of deck is to get under, not overpower, planeswalkers
Merchant Scroll
-Not feasible without off-color moxen
Preordain
-Replacing with tutors minimizes impact of Narset and finds specific threats/answers

Notable inclusions:

Demonic Consultation
-I've always been a big fan of this card in fair decks. Getting 3&4ofs at instant speed for 1 mana is strong.

This deck is soft to Oath. Other than that, I feel comfortable against the rest of the field.

I'd appreciate any thoughts and if anyone has been testing Delver as a pivot away from the Planeswalker mirrors.

Best,
Dave

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