StoneBlade



  • @neo_altoid Thanks for that. I like play straight Blue/White. I'll use this as a guide.



  • @moorebrother1 Straight UW is pretty garbage, TBH. 0 access to Dack Fayden and Pyroblast are the real killers--you run into the Landstill problem of "if they resolve a planeswalker, I've lost." Yes, technically you could have pressure, and render their walker irrelevant but really...you've lost.

    I think you could try to justify UWG (Sylvan Library+Batterskull is a wombo combo), or UWB (Ditto Bob+Batterskull, Thoughtsieze is a very good card), but straight UW has felt like it simply doesn't have the bonus draw engine you really want. Maybe you could try Remora? But that card is just not very reliable or good.



  • @neo_altoid You are correct. I put it together it looks like it should be good but it is not very strong. It takes too long to get there. I wanted to avoid Red, I may have to play it to give it an edge like you mentioned above. I'll play around with it.



  • I took a little break and I have decided to revive this deck once more. I have tried Damping Sphere and I have been disappointed. They hurt this deck and do not help it much.

    I think this deck needs a low to ground strategy but it plays as a control deck. Any ideas on how to make this deck more aggro similar to a Young Pyromancer style of play.

    This deck does not generate tokens and needs to play too much defense currently. Dack Fayden, Phyrexian Revoker, and the new breed of combo decks have put this deck in an odd place.

    I am looking at current playable cards like JVP and Teferi and they are all SLOW. I could see a deck based on 1 drops but that deck feels like it would be on the defense against Blue.

    Is there maybe an Erayo strategy like the Paradoxical decks play? Is there a better 3rd color? Maybe green instead of Red? Maybe no 3rd color? I'm open to ideas.



  • Damping Sphere isn't good. It's a prison piece in a deck that doesn't particularly want to prison.

    There are a few real problems with the deck as constructed.

    First, you're a little softer to Jeskai now, as everyone and their mother has maindeck ways to kill artifacts. You used be be able to say "my sword will survive if it's not Dack'd" with high certainty, and now you can't.

    Second, Inferno Titan Oath is a bigger part of the metagame. Stoneblade can beat normal Griselbrand Oath, albeit with some difficulty. You can never in a million years beat Inferno Titan Oath. You just don't have the tools to do that efficiently, and you're too aggressive of a deck to simply play control until you find Mentor.

    Third, the outcomes decks have homogenized into a cleaner variant than before. You used to be roughly favored against people trying to really durdle a lot with outcomes->Tendrils. Now you can just die to the secondary effect. You're still probably favored, but it's by less than before, and it's less clean than just casting Stony Silence.

    Basically, the metagame changed. This deck attacked Shops decks and trash deck (White Hate/Merfolk/Humans/Other) players better than a lot of the rest of the metagame, while still being effective enough to get wins against Jeskai and Outcomes if you could outplay your opponent. Now that you don't have as much trash to take out (we're a ways away from Champs, for example, and the metagame has consolidated), and the good decks are better against you. So...you end up with a deck that's fundamentally a metagame call against a meta that no longer exists.



  • @neo_altoid I looked very closely at the Waterbury results and if you can create a decks that stands its ground against these low to the ground tokens decks then you have a very fair chance in the meta-game.

    This is the build I have been working on
    StoneBlade
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    4 Preordain
    4 Force of Will
    4 Mental Misstep
    3 Swords to Plowshare
    2 Batterskull
    2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
    2 Containment Priest
    1 Monastary Mentor
    1 Flusterstorm
    1 Mana Drain
    1 Back to Basics
    1 Jace, the Mindscruptor
    1 Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
    1 Gitaxian Probe
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Ponder
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    1 Gush
    1 Dig Through Time
    1 Treasure Cruise
    1 Black Lotus
    5 Moxes
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Polluted Delta
    4 Tundra
    4 Island
    1 Plains
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Strip Mine

    I think playing low to the ground like the humans builds from Waterbury will help and a batterskull is no joke. You gain 4 life when you block and another 4 when you attack. The trick again token generators is to cut off the card draw. So, Mental Misstep and Flusterstorm become more important.

    My theory on making this deck play better is to add black and some discard and removal that is a bit more flexible. I like Collective Brutality but it is bad against Shop so Thoughtseize may be better.
    The main deck needs some artifact removal. The sideboard is heavy on graveyard hate with more removal spells.



  • I tried this with Black and I tried it with Red. Black is interesting, it gives you more of a toolbox feel and may be the right direction for the meta if you can figure out what tools you need like Stony Silence and other interesting cards to grab.

    Red plays similar to Jeskai with Stoneforge Mystic instead of Young Pyromancer. I personally like the replacement but I am not sure if it offers anything better than the list from Waterbury. The advantage of a Batterskull is the lifelink + vigilance and it hurts Pyromancer in the exchange but you still need some crowd control.

    The truth is that you need crowd control either way since Xerox vs Xerox does not offer much of an advantage. I do think Stoneforge has an edge in the Oath match up and does better against Shop from what I have seen so far. I can skip the Snapcaster and play the deck without much concern for the graveyard with more tutor like VT and DT. The Batterskull is a clock that must be dealt with and you have Mentor too.

    The BUG match is also better for you since you are relying less on being a 3 color deck, which makes Dack Fayden a nice to have and not a must have.

    The real question is why play this over Jeskai? I think this deck may have less variance with more tutor pushing a linear path to victory could be better with several rounds of game play.



  • I top 8d the challenge Saturday before last with this list:

    There's also a list that was 9th in the challenge last Saturday maxing out on Spell Quellers and Mana Drain that looked interesting.

    I think the main advantage you have over Jeskai is that SFM is better than Pyromancer against Shops, but with Shops becoming less popular online for whatever reason maybe it's not correct at the moment to play it.

    I might try playing some sort of Standstill build with an SFM package in the side for matchups where you need a faster win condition.



  • @crouchsnap I am concerned about the Jeskai match and BUG match up. I built a low to the ground version of this deck and it is testing out OK. I keep trying to add a 3rd color but it always feels clunky to me. I want a good Xerox style deck that is not mainstream Xerox and this deck does that. It does not lose to anything really but it does not really win against anything either.

    StoneBlade
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
    2 Containment Priest
    1 Monastary Mentor
    2 Batterskull
    2 Jace, the Mindscruptor

    4 Preordain
    4 Force of Will
    4 Mental Misstep
    1 Flusterstorm
    1 Mana Drain

    3 Swords to Plowshare
    1 Balance

    1 Gitaxian Probe
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Ponder
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Time Walk
    1 Gush
    1 Dig Through Time
    1 Treasure Cruise
    1 Black Lotus
    5 Moxes
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Polluted Delta
    4 Tundra
    3 Island
    1 Plains
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Strip Mine

    Sideboard
    2 Grafdigger's Cage
    2 Stony Silence
    2 Rest in Peace
    2 Energy Flux
    2 Mindbreak Trap
    1 Swords to Plowshare
    1 Supreme Verdict
    1 Containment Priest
    1 Fragmatize
    1 Disenchant

    I am really trying to get a Umezawa's Jitte in this deck. When I have played it, it plays very well and Sword of War and Peace plays better against Jeskai and Xerox in general.



  • I took this Jeskai deck to an event to did very poorly. Every game was close. I cannot for sure say this is a bad deck but it is certainly not advantaged. I played against UR Pyromancer, 2 Card Monte, LandStill, and Managorger Hydra. Every game was very close. Going low to ground has advantages similar to Xerox, essentially this is a Xerox deck without the Pryomancers which may be the problem. I know no one probably cares but I tested this very heavily and it has an even match up against the meta.

    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Black Lotus

    1 Strip Mine
    1 Library of Alexandria
    1 Plains
    1 Island
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Polluted Delta
    3 Tundra
    3 Volcanic Island

    1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 Dig Through Time
    4 Force of Will
    1 Brainstorm
    1 Gush
    1 Treasure Cruise
    2 Dack Fayden
    1 Ponder
    3 Mental Misstep
    1 Gitaxian Probe
    1 Flusterstorm
    1 Pyroblast
    1 Wear / Tear
    3 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Containment Priest
    2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
    1 Monastery Mentor
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    1 Batterskull
    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    1 Time Walk
    1 Ancestral Recall
    4 Preordain

    Sideboard
    2 Stony Silence
    1 Balance
    1 Pyroclasm
    3 By Force
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    2 Rest in Peace
    1 Flusterstorm
    1 Pyroblast
    1 Wear / Tear
    1 Swords to Plowshares
    1 Containment Priest


 

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