@kat said in Turbo Stasis:

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Forgot one more card - Suppression Field. With 2CMC it is possible to put it into game early on so many decks will be hosed. And with active Stasis afterwards there will be very difficult for them to break out. Since your win condition is passive, Black Vise, you will be fine.

And finally, on a personal note, the deck needs more Chronatogs; the metagame is stagnant without them.

Wouldn't Tezzeret the Seeker + Seat of Synod be a lock. Tezzeret the Seeker just seems very good for a deck like this one.

I like Orb of Dreams over Kismet. I tried Root Maze to stop combo before and that had to descent results.

My question is why not Reset. I have a Turbo Stasis Old School deck similar to this one and Reset is a staple.

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@chronatog Dredge can very easily beat a Propandga effect with Dread Return and Therapies.

@moorebrother1 Ah Tezz is one that I forgot. He is great. Alt win with Vault too.

@Thewhitedragon69 Instill Energy is a great idea! I kinda recall something along those lines back in the early days of Stasis (like Time Elemental/Kismet). A related combo is the Forsaken City + Howling Mine combo. Perhaps putting both in the same deck? I looked at the Prophet, but perhaps I misunderstand the use. There is not an untap step for anyone, so the first ability would not trigger, unless I am mistaken. You brought up a good point that the Noble Hierarch may be less than favourable in an Oath matchup.

@Hrishi I really love the Time Vault idea. I like to use Chronatog in some Stasis decks too, which is kinda the same principle. Which Planeswalker(s) would you suggest? I ended up dropping the Opal because I just couldn't reliably get it to work.

@vaughnbros I thought about Garruk, but I feel the 4cmc may be a bit steep in this particular shell. I feel like he would fit better in something running lands like Ancient Tomb maybe. I like the Jace Beleren idea, and it synergises with the Mine and Vise effects. I'll take a look at Freya again but I'm not sure how she would fit in a Stasis deck. I believe the elves make green mana, and Stasis requires blue. What did you have in mind with her?

@elusive You bring up a good point with the creature removal. Though I would prefer cards under 3cmc where possible, because of the lack of fast mana (full moxen, sol ring, crypt, etc.). I also considered Null Rod to address my opponent playing fast mana, but then I feel like I might as well play a Null Rod deck and forget about Stasis (which would defeat the purpose of a Stasis deck). So I am curious what you mean by "tax". Do you mean like cost effects (Tabernacle, Propaganda, Sphere, ...)? I have found that Root Maze tends to run poorly in this style Stasis deck. Since my Islands comes into play tapped as well, it makes it difficult to pay out the Stasis which forces me to take a more combo approach, which is a different deck concept. Crop Rotation is a great suggestion! I agree that tutoring straight into a Tabernacle would be pretty devastating. I also considered black splash just for tutors (Vampiric/Demonic/Seal). I am not sure what you mean by "cycling" Glacial Chasm.

@Chronatog Your name... <3. I do love Authority of the Consulate. It's like a 1cmc mini-Kismet. I was afraid initially to splash a 3rd colour, but after testing black splash I feel that the deck can easily handle it. I just ordered a playset of Authorities. I would think Propaganda may fit better than Ghostly Prison even though Authority is white, mainly because the primary deck colour is blue, and Stasis runs on blue mana. Also Propaganda can pitch to Force. A couple of people have suggested Arcane Laboratory, but I guess I am just not seeing the benefit to justify a 3cmc cost. I guess the idea is to stop people from storming, but it seems that by the time I could bring it online the game would already be over. So I'm not really sure whether to run it or not. Suppression Field is an excellent suggestion! I was not aware of the card before, and I don't think it even negatively affects anything in my deck currently.

@moorebrother1 Tezzeret + Seat would be a lock, but the idea is to actually play the game out. I would like to avoid just comboing into a hardlock and then waiting. The goal is to engage my opponent in a control environment where the rules of the game have been changed (no untap in this case). Consider this playing more like a Pox deck, or perhaps using Null Rod or Chains of Mephistopheles to disrupt decks through an altered game state. The idea is to approach Stasis in this deck in a similar manner. As for Reset, I don't know I keep adding it then taking it out, then adding it again. I have a love/hate relationship with it I guess. 😛

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@kat Reset may not work with the interactions you are looking for in today's meta game. Like I mentioned previously, I play the deck in Old School magic and it works there since there is no Force of Will.

Okay so I scrapped the whole Howling Mine + Forsaken City combo. Since what I originally wanted was a deck that is more tempo/control as opposed to combo, I decided to look into something more along the lines of a Fish shell which led me to this...

// Mana
Tropical Island x3
Tundra x3
Island x2
Forsaken City
Flooded Strand x3
Misty Rainforest x2
Strip Mine
Mox Sapphire
Mox Pearl
Mox Emerald
Black Lotus

// Creatures
Curse Catcher x4
Noble Hierarch x4
Imposing Sovereign x4
Tempest Drake x3
Chronatog x1

// Dig/Draw
Ancestral Recall x1
Ponder x1
Preordain x3
Gush x1
Mystical Tutor x1
Crop Rotation x1

// Control
Force of Will x4
Daze x2
Muddle the Mixture x1
Chain of Vapor x3
Nature's Claim x3
Echoing Truth x1
Stasis x3

Time Vault x1

The deck focuses mostly on playing creatures which either are unaffected (e.g. Curse Catcher) by the Stasis, or have a way to bypass it (e.g. Tempest Drake). In my eternal search for the perfect 2-drop Stasis-friendly evasion creature, the best I could come up with is a choice between Zephyr Falcon (et al.), and Tempest Drake. I did find another creature, Sylvan Advocate, which seems to possibly be a faster clock (8 turns versus the 10 for Tempest Drake, and 20 for the Falcons) but the lack of evasion leads to my damage just being blocked. I also found that most games are over before I get 6 lands into play. I would like some suggestions on replacements for the Tempest Drake which are 2cmc.

The Imposing Sovereign and Stasis compose the soft lock of the deck, comparable to the Null Rod/Stony Silence cards in a Fish deck. While I understand that Vintage may not be as creature heavy as it is artifact heavy, this is mostly for playing at my LGS and they tend to have aggro and tempo/control decks. I had considered putting both the Null Rod and Stasis effects in the same deck, but it just didn't work out well. Thanks @Hrishi for the Time Vault tip! I believe I recall using it years back, but I had forgotten about it. It's a great way to get about the effects of the Stasis when I can't pay/bounce it any longer.

The counter package is pretty standard for a Stasis deck with exception to Muddle the Mixture which lets me tutor for any 2cmc card in the deck (basically 1/3rd of the deck) and it provides a stronger counter as compared to Daze for some situations.

If you play with mana creatures (Noble Hierarch), you might add Quirion Ranger / Scryb Ranger (to bounce Tropical Island and untap Noble H.) to fuel your Stasis.

Where’s Garruk and Ral Zarek??

@kat Why not try Paradox Engine? Perhaps with a bit of Enchantress tech like Words of Wind you can redrop a Mox for an untap of your other artifacts? It would lend itself to a mana shell more artifact based including Mox Opal and probably Ruby and Jet as well. It's expensive but perhaps lends itself to a more Workshop-y build or something with sol lands

If you want to go more prison-y Frozen Aether along with Tabernacle accomplish what you're doing with the Sovereigns are are probably less prone to removal game 1.

Paradoxical Outcome might be fun with some Stasis!
Perhaps including Voltaic Servant as well (to untap your blue mox to pay for the Stasis every turn!)

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@wfain I thought about that, natural synergy with Time Vault too. Outcome isn't a bad idea but Outcome is also its own combo already and is faster. For a strict Stasis-based plan of attack I think Engine is a good option.

@yayjinaz yeah, doesn’t mean it couldn’t work in a Stasis control deck though? Could still play Mentor to get the normal Outcome kills sometimes, but have Stasis against the decks that can stop your Outcome action somehow

@wfain I just think Outcome requires a low avg CMC whereas Engine just wants mana rocks or dorks and couldn't care less about CMC after it's out.

My original feeling was to turn the deck into a more Enchantress-Stasis hybrid but I didn't like any of my brainstormed versions. I put together a list using Paradox Engine in modern that plays a la High Tide which is where I thought of it for Stasis as with Moxen it's pretty damn good.

@yayjinaz said in Turbo Stasis:

I put together a list using Paradox Engine in modern that plays a la High Tide...

I'd love to see this.

@5space The Gitaxian Probe ban totally screwed the deck, but Mishra's Bauble or perhaps even Manamorphose might be a serviceable alternative. Here's the original list. Never really tuned it because I moved and stopped playing paper modern and never built it out on MTGO. The deck runs two different mana engines in Grand Architect/Pili-Pala and Magus of the Candelabra/Vernal Bloom. You'll oftentimes Remand your own excess spells for a card draw and Paradox Engine trigger. Consistent on turn 5 in solitaire, but I had a few turn 3 combos and plenty of turn 4s. I consider myself good at trying to figure a basic deck premise out, but I know for sure that I'm not the best at optimizing a list...so take this with a grain of sand.

Instant (12)
3x Blue Sun's Zenith
3x Mystical Teachings
3x Remand
3x Summoner's Pact

Enchantment (7)
4x Utopia Sprawl
3x Vernal Bloom

Land (18)
4x Breeding Pool
6x Forest
4x Island
4x Misty Rainforest

Artifact (5)
2x Lightning Greaves
3x Paradox Engine

Creature (10)
3x Grand Architect
4x Magus of the Candelabra
3x Pili-Pala

Sorcery (8)
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions

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@kat said in Turbo Stasis:

I would like some suggestions on replacements for the Tempest Drake which are 2cmc.

I believe Voltaic Servant is great. It has pseudo vigilance, but can also make you pay for Stasis forever if you have a blue Mox or Seat of the Synod while also allowing infinite turns with Time Vault.

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