Hollow One



  • What if we tried Damping Sphere in the board as both Shops and Paradoxical hate? It only adds 1 mana to a double Rootwala turn and no mana if we can do a double Hollow One turn.



  • @wfain I've thought about it. If it wasn't an artifact I would run it in a heartbeat as something to avoid Hurkyls with but damping sphere hurts us slightly and does nothing to an EoT hurks. Although neither does null rod. I really don't know other than they can still draw and make mana with Damping sphere out.

    Damping Sphere vs other decks tho is interesting vs Dark Petition Storm where null rod can be ignored it is an allstar, I have noticed that in my oath list. Vs Shops I don't think its worth it over null rod or energy flux, as stopping ravager or forcing all in on a single ravager is what we want right?

    Edit: Unfourntunately due to me working night shift Leagues are impossible like only 85 people in the league and no one is online at 1:00am to 5:00am



  • can the manabase be made to support stony silence over null rod?



  • @blindtherapy it probably already does, you have the mana guys and there is a Savannah already.



  • Why not run a 1 of Thalia in the SB? Doesnt affect you, is just as good as Dampning Sphere, is a dude that triggers Veggie, and can easily be searched for.



  • I’ve been thinking about trying Elvish Spirit Guide as a 4x. Has anyone experimented with it yet?



  • @serracollector I like it so far. When outcome has Tormod's crypt or grafdigger's out dropping thalia and leo is really good plus having stony. I like having every lock piece now not getting hit by hurkyl's recall which lets me turn into a psuedo hatebear deck with a combo finish is super cool.

    Gave on Misstep as I felt having more card advantage and filtering was better than protecting a t1 birds or looting. Added Frantic Search which would be nice to see unrestricted one day as discarding vengevines and untapping lands is exactly what we need to help cast hollow ones or more survival triggers if our board gets wiped.

    Looking at just straight running 2 Leo in the main with how good a t2 leo can be vs any blue deck and if you manage to cast it vs shops its really funny vs ballista.

    Here is what I have been having decent success with:
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  • Frantic Search in not restricted in Vintage. Run 4 if you like sir. Glad my suggestions of Thalia and Drake have helped 🙂



  • @bleedth3sky how is the dredge matchup? looks a little light on dredge hate. is the aggressive nature of the deck enough?



  • @blindtherapy I’ve beaten dredge probably 55% so far. Between Trap and DRS after board you have solid interaction and you can finish them off via Wonder quite often. G1 is pretty much a luck of the draw situation though.



  • @bleedth3sky I think if you’re going down the Frantic Search route that Riftstone Portal seems like a must have. I would further consider Fastbond to help get enough lands in play to use the untap 3 part.



  • Honestly I still think Careful Study is better than Frantic, but with a Manadork it is still a turn 2 play, so who knows til you try.



  • @serracollector If we have dorks or moxen out we can make extra green mana with the ubtap even if we don't have 3 lands out right? That's my main thought that it can turn GGBR into draw 2 discard 2 GGGG by untapping lands.



  • @bleedth3sky if you don’t have 3 lands the best you could in that scenario is turn ggxx into ggg I think, but maybe that is still ok?



  • This is the version I would play today in the challenge if I could:

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    So far Stony Silence has more impact against the various outcome and storm decks than Mindbreak Trap did. Oath is still pretty rough, you can beat them with explosive Bazaar draws or if a SotF goes unchecked. Could certainly load up on SB Abrupt Decay if we wanted to really beat them but that weakens other areas. I suppose you could change an Ingot Chewer to a Decay, but that makes your land fetching more difficult vs Shops decks.



  • @wfain Does Asylum Visitor compare favorably to Dark Confidant? AV seems pretty awesome in Bazaar lists (no personal pun intended).



  • @bazaarofbaghdad I don’t think so, no. The goal isn’t to play hellbent. Bob helps keep a few cards in hand to make Bazaar more of a break even. One of the main ways you can lose a grindy game is to run out of cards to activate Bazaar.



  • @wfain Of course, but was the madness ability enough to push it over the top?



  • @bazaarofbaghdad that would mean we have to have 3 or more cards to get it to work(Bazaar+2 mana, SotF/Faithless Looting and 2 additional open mana). Bob only requires 2 mana and he always does what you want.



  • So, just another wild thought, but could Anvil of Bogardan be a viable test over Bob? Digs deep, works towards the goal etc


 

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