@fsecco yup, that was basically it.

Off topic but I would love to see that doomsday list.

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I see you play a splash of blue. So no dack fayden? It also somewhat helps your tinker colos problem

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I would also consider ray of revelation. Wonder helps vs moat, but ray of rev can be discarded anytime, destroys a lot of pesky things like oath, leyline of the void and avoids misstep.

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Here's my list, more control variant with lots of nice options, colos bazaar tinker is sweet, it's been heavily playtested with various versions with hollow one and different things. The deck is slightly outdated but can definitely hold a candle, maybe some new tech cards around? It has good matchups vs most things, bug with leovold and deathrite shaman can be a pain but it's a cool matchup with many twists about punishing fire+mentor recurrance and rebs + sweet balance take care of leo. A few bullets in main that can be switched around, gush works and rakdos main vs dredge and works vs lots stax etc. Intuition goes nuts, ancient grudge!

// 60 Maindeck
// 8 Artifact
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt

// 7 Creature
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Monastery Mentor
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy

// 17 Instant
4 Force of Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Gush
1 Dig Through Time
3 Intuition
4 Mental Misstep
2 Punishing Fire
1 Rakdos Charm

// 19 Land
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Volcanic Island
1 Underground Sea
2 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Tundra
1 Tropical Island

// 4 Planeswalker
4 Dack Fayden

// 5 Sorcery
1 Time Walk
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Tinker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Treasure Cruise

// 15 Sideboard
// 1 Artifact
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt

// 13 Instant
SB: 4 Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 Rakdos Charm
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Pyroblast
SB: 1 Ray of Revelation

// 1 Sorcery
SB: 1 Balance

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@yakuzaxrock that’s a very interesting list, but isn’t related to the thread really.

I've been trying -1 rootwalla +1 Manglethorn. Hasn't been terrible. I have 2 Ballistas in my list so that may be contributing.
I really like Manglethorn tough. Very rarely dead.
I'm going to try a very explosive list tomorrow with no Thalias.

@hierarchnoble I have played with dack fayden a bunch and I think a list mimicking Titan Oath and running some Deep Analysis as another pitchable spell that can refill the hand might work. Maybe in place of a bob or two tho I did not try dack with Bob's In the same list.

Md dack was almost always a nice draw vs a shops as my list had 4 Bop so making the missing red or blue was easier. Vs outcome if you could t2 steal a mana crypt/vault or sol ring that usually bought you a turn and makes casting hollow one easier in the later turns.

Edit: Also plays very nice with mb Leo. Having a survival countered but being able to have a back up soft lock came in handy a few times.

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What do you all think of playing a City of Brass based mana suite? It would mean eschewing Wonder/Anger/DRS, but it would allow some different options on utility/hate dudes (Meddling Mage comes to mind). Something like 4 Mana Confluence, 4 Gemstone Mine, 2 City of Brass, 2 Reflecting Pool, 1 Cradle, 2 Forest, 4 Bazaar?
Edit: could also include Gemstone Caverns and Serum Powder to be more explosive and more consistent in our openers 🤷🏻♂
Another Edit: should we also be considering Thorn and Chalice?

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I’m going to test Chalice and Thorn by shaving a mana dork and a Bob.

@hierarchnoble @wfain Do you think 2x Thalia 1x thorn split or bump to 3 Thalia?

I plan on sticking with fetch base but dropping cradle for another forest and dropping red for easier fetching game one. Should make it a bit more resilient vs wasteland as I've found myself never needing anger except vs oath.

Edit: Not missing red so far but thorn and chalice are both fantastic so far.

I went:
-1 taiga, +1 Trop; -1 Cradle, +1 Forest; -Anger, -Deathrite, + Chalice and Thorn.

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@bleedth3sky I think 2-1 is better than 3-0. Thorn is easier to cast, and we can stack 2 effects sometimes rather than just 1 with Thalia. Another card I put in last night that I think is good is Dryad Arbor. Allows you do Survival for another green source, improves Cradle reliability, and can be pitched to Survival if you draw it late. I'm interested in what happens without needing red mana anywhere. I think I'd keep Squee, but then I would probably want a couple Nature's Claim in the board.

EDIT: I've updated the OP to reflect where I am now.

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5-0 number three for me with Survival Salad! 2 wins vs RUG/Titania Outcome, 1 vs Dredge, UR Twin, and Grixis Tinker (which might've had Outcome, G1 I played Thalia, Goyf, Hollow, and VV on turn 1, he scooped, G2 he played Time Walk on 1 into Tinker/Bot, G3 I had Stony on 1, SotF on 3 and killed him on 5 through Strip Mine, Mana Drain, and JTMS). Posting list below, will also update OP.


I love this thread and it looks like an awesome deck @wfain . I can't wait to take it for a spin. It's rare that a vintage deck requires someone to grab a bunch of cards they have never owned before, so well done!

Now take this one step further and figure out how to resurrect TNT and take us to the promised land 😉

@joshuabrooks I legitimately don’t know what TNT is? Some kind of Tooth and Nail deck or no?

@wfain said in Survival Salad:

@joshuabrooks I legitimately don’t know what TNT is? Some kind of Tooth and Nail deck or no?

And old deck from 2003/2004? Nicknamed from Tools N' Tubbies.

Goblin Welder
Memory Jar
Survival of the Fittest/Anger/Wonder/Squee

And some variants included Pyrostatic Pillar, Blood Moon, etc. Was an amazingly fun deck to play.

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