@yakuzaxrock The deck is base green, so getting blue and red in play at the same time can be difficult. That said, Dack Fayden represents huge synergy with the deck since he mimics Bazaar of Baghdad’s role in the deck. I’m trying my Thalia-focused build again tonight, but focusing on Dack Fayden as an engine piece is on my list of variations I want to try out.
Here's my list, more control variant with lots of nice options, colos bazaar tinker is sweet, it's been heavily playtested with various versions with hollow one and different things. The deck is slightly outdated but can definitely hold a candle, maybe some new tech cards around? It has good matchups vs most things, bug with leovold and deathrite shaman can be a pain but it's a cool matchup with many twists about punishing fire+mentor recurrance and rebs + sweet balance take care of leo. A few bullets in main that can be switched around, gush works and rakdos main vs dredge and works vs lots stax etc. Intuition goes nuts, ancient grudge!
// 60 Maindeck
// 8 Artifact
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
// 7 Creature
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Monastery Mentor
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
// 17 Instant
4 Force of Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Dig Through Time
4 Mental Misstep
2 Punishing Fire
1 Rakdos Charm
// 19 Land
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Volcanic Island
1 Underground Sea
2 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Tropical Island
// 4 Planeswalker
4 Dack Fayden
// 5 Sorcery
1 Time Walk
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Treasure Cruise
// 15 Sideboard
// 1 Artifact
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
// 13 Instant
SB: 4 Ancient Grudge
SB: 2 Rakdos Charm
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Pyroblast
SB: 1 Ray of Revelation
// 1 Sorcery
SB: 1 Balance
Survival is easy to play but hard to master. In the month of iterating and playing around with different cards and configurations I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. I could easily find five more decks that revolve around the twenty card core. It's amazing. I'm mediocre at best with the best but it's still a blast to pilot, but hopefully I'm entertaining.
@hierarchnoble I have played with dack fayden a bunch and I think a list mimicking Titan Oath and running some Deep Analysis as another pitchable spell that can refill the hand might work. Maybe in place of a bob or two tho I did not try dack with Bob's In the same list.
Md dack was almost always a nice draw vs a shops as my list had 4 Bop so making the missing red or blue was easier. Vs outcome if you could t2 steal a mana crypt/vault or sol ring that usually bought you a turn and makes casting hollow one easier in the later turns.
Edit: Also plays very nice with mb Leo. Having a survival countered but being able to have a back up soft lock came in handy a few times.
What do you all think of playing a City of Brass based mana suite? It would mean eschewing Wonder/Anger/DRS, but it would allow some different options on utility/hate dudes (Meddling Mage comes to mind). Something like 4 Mana Confluence, 4 Gemstone Mine, 2 City of Brass, 2 Reflecting Pool, 1 Cradle, 2 Forest, 4 Bazaar?
Edit: could also include Gemstone Caverns and Serum Powder to be more explosive and more consistent in our openers ️
Another Edit: should we also be considering Thorn and Chalice?
@hierarchnoble @wfain Do you think 2x Thalia 1x thorn split or bump to 3 Thalia?
I plan on sticking with fetch base but dropping cradle for another forest and dropping red for easier fetching game one. Should make it a bit more resilient vs wasteland as I've found myself never needing anger except vs oath.
Edit: Not missing red so far but thorn and chalice are both fantastic so far.
-1 taiga, +1 Trop; -1 Cradle, +1 Forest; -Anger, -Deathrite, + Chalice and Thorn.
@bleedth3sky I think 2-1 is better than 3-0. Thorn is easier to cast, and we can stack 2 effects sometimes rather than just 1 with Thalia. Another card I put in last night that I think is good is Dryad Arbor. Allows you do Survival for another green source, improves Cradle reliability, and can be pitched to Survival if you draw it late. I'm interested in what happens without needing red mana anywhere. I think I'd keep Squee, but then I would probably want a couple Nature's Claim in the board.
EDIT: I've updated the OP to reflect where I am now.
5-0 number three for me with Survival Salad! 2 wins vs RUG/Titania Outcome, 1 vs Dredge, UR Twin, and Grixis Tinker (which might've had Outcome, G1 I played Thalia, Goyf, Hollow, and VV on turn 1, he scooped, G2 he played Time Walk on 1 into Tinker/Bot, G3 I had Stony on 1, SotF on 3 and killed him on 5 through Strip Mine, Mana Drain, and JTMS). Posting list below, will also update OP.
I love this thread and it looks like an awesome deck @wfain . I can't wait to take it for a spin. It's rare that a vintage deck requires someone to grab a bunch of cards they have never owned before, so well done!
Now take this one step further and figure out how to resurrect TNT and take us to the promised land
@joshuabrooks I legitimately don’t know what TNT is? Some kind of Tooth and Nail deck or no?
And old deck from 2003/2004? Nicknamed from Tools N' Tubbies.
Survival of the Fittest/Anger/Wonder/Squee
And some variants included Pyrostatic Pillar, Blood Moon, etc. Was an amazingly fun deck to play.
@joshuabrooks I played a rug Tnt and man is it fun but you make your workshop match up so bad by relying on welder now that they have ballista. I just can't imagine a world where ravaged shops is around and a colored shops could compete. I would be more inclined to try 5c Stax rather than Tnt.
Streamed my final Survival stream (for now) here. I went 4-1, losing to Workshops but beating Oath, Esper Humans Control, Team Leovold and Esper PO. I played Kinny's 5-0 deck that hasn't been posted yet, messing with the fetchlands and making the Forest snow-covered to make mine "different". The deck felt phenomenal all night, and had at least two plays that are really worth watching for. I got probably my best opener in any game ever against PO on the play game 1.
I may still stop by from time to time, but for now I'm going to take some time off and play other decks to allow my Survival playing to rest. Maybe time away from the deck will improve my lines when I revisit it.