Daggers on 9th. But great work regardless!

Is there a typical sideboard plan against lands?

My guess is that the reason questing beast is in sideboards is for this match to combat glacial chasm, but what else needs to be considered?

@gutocmtt said in Survival:

I've played both approaches, fow and deafening silence. Silence seems better against combo, but having fow increases by a lot our blue matchup. Played the playoffs with BUG survival and got 4-2 (9th place -.-) , fow helped a lot more than FoV would have.

Seems like there are less combo out there and I don't think it's worth playing white for it. 4 Leovolds between maindeck and sb seemed pretty good too. Too much blue out there, and with fow leo is a house.

What are you commonly FoWing against fair blue / xerox? What are you pitching? Deafening Silence crimps Xerox pretty badly as well they can't chain cantrips. And fast Thalia is a beating against Xerox.

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It depends a lot. Usually I want to use it to resolve my survival. If the battlefield is full, a PW is a pretty good target, if your hand is slow sometimes you can't beat an arcanist and the recalls are never bad targets for it either. With Leo to help getting an advantage and some flusterstorms (I play 2), summer veil and misstep you can change gears according to the situation.

The best results I get are with blue-heavy lists, as I can get slow them down and protect myself instead of having ouphe and FoV. I mean, I still have some of them in the deck, they just don't make it to games 2 and 3.

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in the countermagic versions of survival, are there every any matchups where you want to sideboard out your countermagic and just go full throttle on the hatebear package?

I have considered the idea for the dredge matchup and the mirror, but not sure if that's a recommended approach.

I don't think I ever side out all my forces. Sometimes against dredge I side out some because of the hate overloading we need to win that matchup. Other than that, there are some matchups where flusterstorm comes out such as the mirror and shops (where I usually take out misstep though sometimes it's good for cage, sol ring and fow pitching).

There are some matchups where the green force is better obviously. But in those, fow isn't much worse, sometimes you just have to be patient with what to counter. It's a good feeling tô be in a commanding position and let some good spell which still doesn't take the game out of control resolve just to later counter a game-changing one with the counter you saved.

Finished 6-3 at Eternal Weekend with this list

4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Hollow One
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Vengevine
3 Collector Ouphe
3 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Deputy of Detention
1 Lavinia, Azorius Renegade
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Wonder

4 Survival of the Fittest
3 Deafening Silence
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Force of Vigor
1 Time Walk

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Savannah
2 Tropical Island
3 Verdant Catacombs

4 Containment Priest
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Collector Ouphe
2 Energy Flux
2 Force of Vigor
1 Kataki, War's Rage
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Scavenging Ooze

Nice! That seems like a lot of ESG! How were they? Did you ever wish you had something else (PI and Hogaak come to mind)?

I played 3 ESG in place of the off color Moxen to help enable turn 1 Survival, Ouphe or Thalia. They also have the bonus of helping you work through your Survival chain if you're tight on land. I did want to try and fit other creatures in the deck, Containment Priest, Phantasmal Image, Knight of Autumn and Sanctum Prelate to be exact, in order to have bullets against particular matchups, but decided that the Deafening Silence and Force of Vigor handled them just as well and tended to be more game breaking. I actually put up a very quick write up in the tournament report thread.

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I’ve been messing around with 4 Once upon a Time today. Been pretty sick.

I recently played a couple leagues with 4 Once Upon a Time and 4 Sphinx of Foresight with 0 copies of Survival. Went 7-3. Felt decent. Might be better with a white splash for Lavinia (which also improves the FoWs) rather than the black for DRS and SB Leos.

Played a list with 3 OuaT, it felt pretty good. Honestly, before it the deck wasn't feeling good anymore. I had cut a Fow and 2 ouphe for it and the deck felt way more explosive.

I don't know about cutting survival without extra ajustment. OuaT may find bazaar, but if you rely too much on finding bazaar with it to be in the game, you're not in a favorable spot. Sometimes survival isn't great, but it's still the must-counter threat in fair matchups as it's always been.

Btw, how did sphynx perform? I felt OuaT gave the deck a lot of explosiveness, maybe your result was good more because of that change?

@gutocmtt I’ve tried Sphinx before too, and I like it to an extent. I think it’s much better in 4-5 mana dork builds obviously. It’s really cool with OUaT as well. You can cast it with the scry 3 on the stack for some really solid selection!

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