Is Old School killing paper Vintage?

@revengeanceful Then, maybe it just me that wants a change. From my feedback in other posts a lot players like just playing on MTGO.

But, the feedback in this post says that there is audience for paper that wants something like the Old School event model.

Not sure how to fit that square peg into that round hole but I feel like something needs to happen. I do not think Star City Games will keep feeding the beast with only 120 person turnout for full power.

The NYSC was cancelled and my local event is not breaking 16 anymore. People are very sick of the format right now and it is showing in the turnout for paper. The Vintage league on online usually is about 100 people and the challenges draw about 50 or so per week.

If I could figure out a way to get one event in my region per year and convince the guys in Cleveland to do one then that would be 2 regional events. Then, maybe the Battle Creek guys do one too. This is similar to the number of Old School events my my area. It might work.

I don't care about prize support but:

  • If I am paying a substantial fee to play, then I expect there to be support. Renting space is expensive and it all compounds on itself

  • I won't endure the expense of substantial travel (requiring hotel and likely airfare) for a small event or for no added incentive

  • The added incentive of title was always the big draw for me at eternal weekend. Winning the title of world champion is worth so much more than credit, art, or cards

I would say that Old School might have some influence on turnout, but I think calling it the reason is not accurate. I think that many people are just not as interested because the meta is not interesting anymore (for some - like me). I expect that will not always be true. These things shift all the time. In the interim, I'd rather spend my time on a format that I enjoy more at the moment.

In a sense, I may have gotten out of Vintage had it not been for Old School. I've certainly been tempted to sell out with the crazy price spikes of the last few years but my love for Old School has kept my cards in my hands. I know part of that spike is due to Old School in the first place, but if I hadn't picked it up myself, I'd be far more tempted to cash out.

I think the allure for many Vintage players was a stagnant metagame and the opportunity to play with cards of their youth, or familiar cards of duration.

The sets of the last 3+ years have been so powerful, that almost every other set, some Vintage stalwart is being pushed out by a newer, less familiar card. It's a changing of the guard. Just look at some of the most powerful cards in decks right now: PO, Inspector, Mentor, Hangarback, Ballista, Hollow One. That's a lot of old frame cards being replaced by new frames.

For some players, the new and exciting cards are interesting and inspiring.
For other players, seeing a card like Triskelion or Mana Drain become obsolete is upsetting. That portion of the metagame (for now) has gone to Old School.

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@serracollector I agree that Old School can be extremely budget. I played MonoBlack with a borrowed CE Mox Jet at the Madison Offensiven(58 players I think) and won, and at the time the deck probably cost about 50 dollars. The entire deck could be bought in 4th editoon, other than Sol Ring, Hymns, and Order of the Ebon Hand.

@moorebrother1 a group of us just started playing vintage again after a LONG hiatus. I'm fortunate to live in the general pittsburgh area and will be able to attend EW this year. Beyond that are there any other regional type events like you described in this area throughout the year? Thanks!

@ebgmtg Not really, there is the The Mana Drain Open (Waterbury) in Connecticut, NYSC in New York, and Eternal Weekend. This year Star City did a power nine tournament in Roanoke, VA but we do not know if it will continue.

I am going to speak with some people in my local area and try to plan at least start a yearly regional event. There was an event at RIW Hobbies where we normally play for a Time Walk in June and that event only drew in 26 people.

I want to get at least 30 to 40 but I guess if I could get that group of 26 to play in a small EV event with prizes like playmats and a trophy it would be a start.

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@moorebrother1 said in Is Old School killing paper Vintage?:

@ebgmtg Not really, there is the The Mana Drain Open (Waterbury) in Connecticut, NYSC in New York, and Eternal Weekend. This year Star City did a power nine tournament in Roanoke, VA but we do not know if it will continue.

I think there's another one already scheduled for december.

@moorebrother1 said in Is Old School killing paper Vintage?:

@fsecco They have not announced a power nine event

I believe they said there wouldn't be one in December. That it was likely to be a once a year thing if it went well.

@nedleeds Hum... there's a SCG Con but no Vintage? Pff

@fsecco said in Is Old School killing paper Vintage?:

@nedleeds Hum... there's a SCG Con but no Vintage? Pff

That was by design. They don't want to have a bad showing, and thereby doom P9 series. Rather, everyone said they should wait until next June to bring back the P9 series.

@fsecco said in Is Old School killing paper Vintage?:

@nedleeds Hum... there's a SCG Con but no Vintage? Pff

I think it's smart. The December timeframe for the adult Vintage crowd is unlikely to draw from out of town (to Roanoke anyway). It follows Eternal Weekend US by a month or so. As stated elsewhere in the thread the target for a high dollar paper Vintage event aren't 'grinding' every week or month. This SCGCON has a focus on the Magic players who 'grind' their circuit week to week driving, car pooling and slumming from event to event. So modern is a big focus.

June is a nice mid-point in the year for a large, high entry fee, North American Vintage event.

@nedleeds I'm thankful they're not doing it December; I'd be bummed when it inevitably gets a tiny turnout and they never do it again. June I'd consider going back for next year.

Looking at past years you have: EW EU in April, TMD Open in May, SCG CON in June, NYSE in July, EW Asia in August, EW NA in November and Nebraska's War in December.
Some of those almost overlap, why is all the love going to Q2 and Q4 only?

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