The main reason for Force of Vigor is Leyline, which means you aren’t dredging.

@smmenen Steve, did you check out the Maelstrom Wanderer idea for the Dragonlord slot? I believe it's just plain better, right?

if we're talking about haste targets with multiple pitch Madrush Cyclops pitches to both Force of Vigor and Ichorid/Unmask if we want black instead of blue.

@Smmenen Congrats on the finish! You should come test at Eudo more often πŸ˜‰ . I have a lot of questions about the deck! Lots of interesting deckbuilding decisions were made here it looks like regarding not only the mainboard but also the sideboard.

  • I would be very interested in hearing your thought process for cutting the GY hate from the main and how/why you chose the cards to replace those slots with

  • How did you feel the Force of Negations performed versus other options such as Mindbreak Trap

  • Was only 4 answers to non-creature hate consistent enough to your liking and did Force of Negation affect how confident you felt about dedicating that few slots to that role

  • Were the 3 Ravenous Traps to make up for the lack of GY hate MD and did this plan work

  • Could those 3 slots have been dedicated to something else that you had trouble with, what would you suggest, what did you have trouble with

  • Though process behind Terrastodon versus other DR targets and how it performed

  • 3 Spinning Darkness is a lot how did that feel/ how would something like Vengeful Pharaoh compare/ were you afraid of Yixlid Jailer

  • I am a little confused by the singleton Dakmore Salvage, could you provide some insight as to why it is there?

  • What would you change in the future and why

Overall your deckbuilding reflects a lot of the ideas thrown around on the Force of Vigor thread so I am interested in hearing your thoughts on some of those to.

Thank you and congrats again πŸ™‚

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@rat3de salvage is probably to be able to cast dread return through a sphere

One redeeming factor of this monstrosity is that Dredge has served as positive public relations by keeping Dragonlords well centered in the public eye. They were laughed at upon release of DTK, and here we are, four years later... still going strong. Never forgotten.

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@brianpk80 Kolaghan continues to be amazing at just killing people in 3 swings with no bridges

My record with my current build vs Dredge just went from 8-0 to 9-5 in no time. Damn you, Hogaak! Oh, well. Time to maindeck some Yixlid Jailers, as Dredge is everywhere right now.

Plan on doing a larger write up, but over the weekend through the Vintage Challenge and 6 leagues, I went: 21-14 on what I am now calling "Megapitch" Dredge in honor of @brianpk80

I will probably stream my Vintage Challenge from the weekend, and answer all of @Rat3dE's questions tonight.

@Smmenen Thank you! I eagerly await, though will most likely not be able to watch it live due to the Warriors game 😞

Promise it will be after the Warriors game :). I Will also be watching that

AJ, I'm about to go live at:

I haven't streamed in two years, so bear with me if there any bumps.

Fascinating stream tonight, thank you.

I would really try to find space for the 11th and 12th dredger. Difficulty finding dredgers was an issue in multiple matches.

You know how a lot of pro players will take a well-tuned deck and give it an extra edge in consistency by adding a land or two? The same idea applies with dredgers as well. They're a support base for your deck in much the same way as land in a more traditional deck.

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@Smmenen Just finished watching your stream, thank you so much for showing us your replays and talking through your deck and decisions. It was really helpful and gives us good ideas on what works and what doesn't. I am interested to see how well Dakmor serves its role since we did not see it do anything in the challenge. Overall, great job playing and building, thank you again πŸ™‚

Good! I'm glad I answered your questions! Here is the direct link to the video:

@smmenen Stephen, I had a question for you. Are you SURE you need a Dread Return package? What about running 4 copies of the new card Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis? Just a thought as it pitches to FoV and also exiles to Ichorid in a pinch.

We discussed that question in the stream last night (video in post above)

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