@rat3de salvage is probably to be able to cast dread return through a sphere

One redeeming factor of this monstrosity is that Dredge has served as positive public relations by keeping Dragonlords well centered in the public eye. They were laughed at upon release of DTK, and here we are, four years later... still going strong. Never forgotten.

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@brianpk80 Kolaghan continues to be amazing at just killing people in 3 swings with no bridges

My record with my current build vs Dredge just went from 8-0 to 9-5 in no time. Damn you, Hogaak! Oh, well. Time to maindeck some Yixlid Jailers, as Dredge is everywhere right now.

Plan on doing a larger write up, but over the weekend through the Vintage Challenge and 6 leagues, I went: 21-14 on what I am now calling "Megapitch" Dredge in honor of @brianpk80

I will probably stream my Vintage Challenge from the weekend, and answer all of @Rat3dE's questions tonight.

@Smmenen Thank you! I eagerly await, though will most likely not be able to watch it live due to the Warriors game 😞

Promise it will be after the Warriors game :). I Will also be watching that

AJ, I'm about to go live at: https://www.twitch.tv/smmenen

I haven't streamed in two years, so bear with me if there any bumps.

Fascinating stream tonight, thank you.

I would really try to find space for the 11th and 12th dredger. Difficulty finding dredgers was an issue in multiple matches.

You know how a lot of pro players will take a well-tuned deck and give it an extra edge in consistency by adding a land or two? The same idea applies with dredgers as well. They're a support base for your deck in much the same way as land in a more traditional deck.

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@Smmenen Just finished watching your stream, thank you so much for showing us your replays and talking through your deck and decisions. It was really helpful and gives us good ideas on what works and what doesn't. I am interested to see how well Dakmor serves its role since we did not see it do anything in the challenge. Overall, great job playing and building, thank you again 🙂

Good! I'm glad I answered your questions! Here is the direct link to the video: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/437434568

@smmenen Stephen, I had a question for you. Are you SURE you need a Dread Return package? What about running 4 copies of the new card Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis? Just a thought as it pitches to FoV and also exiles to Ichorid in a pinch.

We discussed that question in the stream last night (video in post above)

4 Hogaak seems like overkill to me, although the exact count is something to fine-tune and tweak over time. I think 3 is where I would most likely start.


In a build with Bridge from Below getting 2x Hogaak in the GY can be chained for a ton of zombies.

I have 2 4-1s in a deck without dread return and with 4 Hogaarks. It’s not pitch. It doesn’t run bridge. A free 8/8 is pretty good without extras honestly. I was testing a minimalist hypothesis by cutting cards like narcmoeba. You don’t need four but the fact that it pitches to Force of Vigor, Ichorid, Unmask, and Contagion/Shoal means the diminishing returns of running 4 are virtually nonexistent and this argument is pretty irrelevant. Play as many as you can fit.

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