[WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils
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@dr-j I think blue white super friends is going to be a deck. You don’t even need standstill.
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@craw_advantage said in [WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils:
@fsecco
Can't you play both? White Eldrazi plays stuff like Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare currently.
Nah, Thalia makes this cost more, which is bad IMO.
@protoaddict said in [WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils:
Likewise Karn may prove to be problematic just because of his interaction with Lattice, but that is a little more of a long shot.
[[Karn, Silver Golem]] also had synergy with Lattice and it was never a thing outside Commander, so I doubt this combo will have any impact (although I think Karn will be played, but because he's good by himself).
@moorebrother1 said in [WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils:
slows dredge down
I mean, Dredge just skips draws so it barely does anything unless you play this turn 1 off Lotus on the play. Even then, drawing 1 instead of 2 on the first Bazaar activation is barely a problem.
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I put my take on twitter.
TLDR: I think this card has immediate applicability as an anti-PO planeswalker. It has build around potential in a Draw 7 shell, especially with London mull, and in a pseudo Grixis Thieves Shell with Vault/Key (pretty insane digging and combo potential). It is overrated against non-PO blue decks since it's very easy to remove via the attack step, which is a major limitation of a deck based on "HateWalkers" - They don't protect themselves very well against the go wide strategies in Vintage.
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@fsecco said in [WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils:
@craw_advantage said in [WAR] Narset, Parter of Veils:
@fsecco
Can't you play both? White Eldrazi plays stuff like Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare currently.
Nah, Thalia makes this cost more, which is bad IMO.
D'oh, you're right.
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@chubbyrain
Agree that most of them will probably just slot into existing blue shells as anti-mirror cards.
Its definitely still going to be a puzzle as to how to build a planeswalker control list that works against all matchups, but its a puzzle with a lot more pieces now.
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I'm thinking this baby sits beside Ashiok, Dream Render and Ashiok 1.0 and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and JtMS in my new UB consultation deck
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I've run into this a lot on MODO and this card is pretty broken. Might be the best of all of the new PWers.
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Yeah, she is great. I think almost every time I've resolved her so far my opponent has conceded shortly after.
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This is probably the best PW since Dack: shuts down PO, digs deeper than JtMS for 2 turns, FoW friendly, easy to cast with Black Lotus, slows down Bazaar and Xerox...
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She's been really impressive but the format has been very PO centric with the London mulligan.
I think we'll start to see more Snapcaster Mages, Pyroblasts, and Lightning Bolts as ways to combat her.
Shops has also been a nonfactor recently with the London mulligan...I think Brassman's Karn Combo list was the only Shops deck to top 8 in the past 3 challenges with the London mulligan active.
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I am really enjoying this new type of PW that cannot + in order to get out of dmg range. It adds a level of counter management the previous iterations did not.
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@nba84 yeah they are really well designed imo. Having only a -loyalty ability balances them perfectly.
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@fsecco @NBA84 I was just thinking that I would probably like PWs more overall if they'd been designed like this from the beginning.
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Honestly, my continued experience with the card have led me to feel that she might be the first planeswalker restricted. It seems like not having a plus ability caused Wizards to push the abilities on the card, producing a really impactful and swingy permanent. Narset feels closer to a Dig through Time or Treasure Cruise than a planeswalker, with the metagame impact of weakening Blue decks relative to the field.
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@chubbyrain She's really great, but restrictable? She's only really "broken" against other blue decks. If this opens up the meta by forcing people away from traditional blue lists, all the better.
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@dr-j she is also very good vs bazaar decks in the first ability, as well as in conjunction with dack
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@chubbyrain I think it's easy to miss how good a draw engine she is because the Leovold ability is such an attention-grabber. But once you posted the Dig comparison here it clicked for me. It's a little less good than that and has a different play pattern obviously, but Impulse with rebound is really strong at 1UU.
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Open up the format? The only deck really well positioned in a Narset heavy Blue format is Shops and it was well rewarded in the last Challenge with a pretty dominant performance (won the event, 3 out of top 4). Eldrazi suffers in a Shops metagame and more rogue decks actually don't have the speed and disruption to exploit Narset blue decks well. She's still really good, even if all she's doing is functioning as a Dig through Time, so you basically have to force Blue into a losing position immediately and Eldrazi/Shops are good at doing that.
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@blindtherapy I respectfully disagree that she's good against Bazaar decks, if you mean dredge. She doesn't come out very quickly, and I believe you can still replace draws with dredges and be unaffected by Narset's static ability.
