Eternal masters roughly one month away, where's the hype (and further spoilers)?
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@wfain yet it was marketed for the eternal formats
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@wfain my mistake, in the announcment they did say it was for edh, cube, legacy, and vintage so that may be the reason
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@letseeker said:
@H. misdirection is only 85 dollars but thats still really pricey for a card that dosnt see much play, unless there is something im missing lol
85 because of the threat it would be in EMA. I haven't checked, but I doubt they are 85 right now just 2 hours after full spoiler. That card is going back to 110 and likely higher now.
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@wfain said:
The only rationale I can come up with for that one is they didn't build the set to support what we think of as Eternal Formats, it was made to help Commander and Cube players. Who puts Rishadan Port in an EDH deck?
Actually, a LOT of people. Port is a staple in Duel Commander, it made more than 100 Top 8s this year alone. Makes no sense to leave it out.
Also I still can't believe they really didn't print P3K expensive cards... this is dumb.
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@mickey.nobilis I own (or used to own in the case of Port since it was silly to not sell something I never use at 160 tickets) both cards. I could care less about their prices for me personally. I just want other people to have reasonable access to these cards so that MTGO can be more accessible.
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No drain, berserk, imperial recruiter, or land tax. Im a lil sad.
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@thoppterman I guess that they are counting Karakas as "white"
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So are all of the rares and mythics spoiled at this point?
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I never really expected to see Mana Drain in this set. Berserk could have been a good mythic, but Natural Order was a fine compromise.
From a marketing perspective, reprinting Mana Drain would probably be the biggest reprint of all time (for paper Magic), so I can't see them doing it in the same set as another massively iconic card like Force of Will. They can sell these boxes on the FoW reprint alone. Why wouldn't they wait for Eternal Masters II for Mana Drain?
As for cards like Berserk and Grim Tutor, etc, I would never expect to see them reprint as normal rares in a small set. Tanking $100-$200 cards down to $20 isn't the best way to get people excited. I think these kinds of cards will always stay at mythic- where they can generate excitement for the set, without affecting the secondary market too much.
Not to mention, if all those cards were reprinted, anybody that hasn't bought a box already, would be looking at $400+ boxes at this point.
I have to say I am very impressed with the balance and card selection, but would have loved to see Port and Misdirection. Can't wait to draft.
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@themonadnomad Yes, the entire setlist has been released at http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eternal-masters
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I'm happy with what we got for EMA1 and looking forward to it in future years.
Will be a win for me if MODO Wastelands are less than $30. I just couldn't see paying $240 a playset to play shops online, even if I have to play the new artwork which I don't like...
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@enderfall said:
@mickey.nobilis I own (or used to own in the case of Port since it was silly to not sell something I never use at 160 tickets) both cards. I could care less about their prices for me personally. I just want other people to have reasonable access to these cards so that MTGO can be more accessible.
You are one hundreds of examples I've seen during these announcements of folks raging out because of some mythical target audience not getting what we think they want. Rishadan Port and Misdirection are two of the worst examples to give of cards keeping players out of this format. Just because they're overpriced doesn't mean they're current staples.
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@mickey.nobilis raging? Do you have any idea what that means? I guess you ignored where I said I could personally care less about the prices. I just want to see these cards reasonably priced so that decks can be built properly on MTGO. How many people refuse to play DnT in Legacy because they have to spend $700+ on a set of Ports? It creates an artificial meta game online that isn't nearly as skewed as Ports are in paper.
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@enderfall Legacy isn't the "this format" I am questioning. Since I'm on a Vintage forum I want to discuss the Vintage impact. This isn't some r/Pauper thread where people are sad because Oubliette and Cuombajj Witches weren't reprinted, and even they are optimists since they got Elite Vanguard as a common.
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@mickey.nobilis said:
@enderfall said:
@mickey.nobilis I own (or used to own in the case of Port since it was silly to not sell something I never use at 160 tickets) both cards. I could care less about their prices for me personally. I just want other people to have reasonable access to these cards so that MTGO can be more accessible.
You are one hundreds of examples I've seen during these announcements of folks raging out because of some mythical target audience not getting what we think they want. Rishadan Port and Misdirection are two of the worst examples to give of cards keeping players out of this format. Just because they're overpriced doesn't mean they're current staples.
I agree with you that Rishadan Port and Misdirection are very likely not keeping players out of Vintage or Legacy. The cost likely does influence the deck selection of people who do play - much more relevant in Legacy where Port is a staple in Lands and Death and Taxes - but I doubt anyone approaches Legacy saying "I'm playing Death and Taxes or bust".
The issue for me is that I don't think the current price tags are justified. Rishadan Port should not be more expensive than Black Lotus, the most iconic card in the game, and Misdirection as a fringe playable shouldn't be three times the price of Force of Will. I think many players agree with this though I do recognize that this is an option, not a fact. Wizards has essentially said as much when they said they were exploring ways of introducing more copies of low demand cards into the online economy (which they had done previously through Judge Promos, Legendary Cube packs, and now the Legacy and Vintage Challenges). The disappointment for me is that this set seemed like a perfect opportunity to do so.
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@mickey.nobilis My apologies for upsetting you and seemingly wasting your time discussing how an eternal set designed to introduced supply of cards across multiple formats could impact one of those said formats other than Vintage. Maybe we should go back and delete all the comments about people spoiling cards that never see the light of day in Vintage?
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Eternal letdown. Another miserable set by wizards. They sacrificed growing the eternal formats so they had a sweet limited environment.
Terrible.
No port, misdirection, imperial recruiter, imperial seal, berserk, grove of the burnwillows, dark depths, land tax, capture of jingzhou.
But hey, here are all the necropotence, worldgorger Dragons, Sphinx of the steel wind, and argothian enchantress (this could easily have been uncommon, cutting Mesa enchantress from the set) you could possible want.
No oubliette is a huge oversight.
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@enderfall You're more than forgiven. Just keep in mind that Death & Taxes isn't a typical Vintage deck, and even when Paul Rietzl plays it in Vintage it doesn't run Rishadan Port.
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This is the biggest disappointment. This had the potential to be the first set I actually spent money on, but they left out mana drain. Whoever designed this crap should be fired and replaced with someone who actually cares about card availability for the masses. Mark Rosewater even said somewhere in the last couple of days that they deliberately leave out important reprint-worthy cards so they can have headlines for the next time they do an eternal masters set...in 2-3 years.
If they did it correctly, and reprinted many of the cards we need to grow the paper community, by the time 2-3 years rolls around demand would be so high again for the cards that they would still be insane moneymakers, and people could afford to actually play the format. -
Seems like a pretty great set. I didn't expect them to try to put EVERYTHING with an inflated price all in one set, so it seems like a good balance between some key reprints, a fun draft enviroments and getting to play some power cards from yesteryear.
