God this card is awesome.

I guess this sort of fills the gap that the restriction of misstep opened. It gives a serious tool for tempo and control decks to push decks like PO and DPS into the mid-game where they can start piling up more hate pieces and/or get their draw engine + counter wall online.
Seems maindeck-able in Hatebears and Landstill, greatly increases consistency of turn 1 plays for Hatebears and helps Landstill by pushing the opponent into its long game gameplan and preventing more "veloce" blue decks from overpowering it with multiple broken spells.
This also seems like it could be really insane in a Bazaar deck (at least theoretically), since the tempo generated by this card is enough for a Bazaar deck to beat any deck that could potentially race it otherwise.

@gutocmtt said in [ELD] Deafening Silence:

But really, good hate cards are usually 2 mana or more. Effects similar to this one were available at 3+ mana, unless I'm forgetting something.

Ethersworn Canonist

@serracollector said in [ELD] Deafening Silence:

Enchantress with all the enchantment creatures finally gets a place in Vintage? My Boon Satyrs/Coursers are gonna wreck face.

4 of these and 4 Fastbond are all the noncreature spells I need 😉

This card demolishes Enchantress. Let's play Chains and Arcane Lab also.

Ahem. I can play as many enchantment creatures as I wish. 😉 @nedleeds

Stray thought: everybody looked sideways at the part of the B&R announcement where Ian Duke said they considered unrestricting Necropotence, but could this card be the reason?

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@serracollector said in [ELD] Deafening Silence:

Ahem. I can play as many enchantment creatures as I wish. 😉 @nedleeds

Alright I will accept a beating from Archtype of Endurance.

With good ol Carnage Tyrant next to him. Double Hexproof

White Eldrazi only plays 9ish white sources. I have had STPs stranded in my hands countless times. It will be harder to cast than one thinks. However, this does seem like a powerful card.

This card will slot extremely nicely into my GWB Hatebear/Human shells. I used to run Eidolon of Rhetoric + Grand Abolisher + Thalia, Guardian of Thraben for an extremely restrictive triumvirate of power that keeps Xerox decks and other blue decks at bay. This is almost a strict upgrade to that. This card has me very excited to brew again for the first time in a while. Nice job Wizards!

-Storm

I would guess this card would be best with Lavinia, Teferi, and Narset, as usual.

This card would have been absolutely brutal against the Karn deck. A turn 1 on the play against Karn/Forge combo would have prevented serious shenanigans.

@smmenen I also think they should've restricted only one of the two, not both in one swoop. Probably Forge because that card shouldn't exist in Vintage 😛

I think it's important people think about how devastating this card can be. Not just as a tempo play, but as a simple lock piece.

There have been high profile complaints about effects that advantage players first turn, on the play, like Chalice of the Void.

This card has the potential to be like that. Imagine your opening hand is something like: Mox, Mox, Land, Instant, Sorcery, 2cc Creature.

If your opponent has a first turn Defeaning Silence, your entire game is stymied.

This is even worse if you are a PO player, and your opening hand is something like: Mox, Mox, Mox, Land, PO. Just think about how impactful that is. It's totally absurd.

This card is bonkers, and I think it will probably be the most impactful card in the set in the long run. This card could have been absurd in 2005 2009 or 2015.

In terms of possible homes, there are lots of possibilities:

Landstill, Fastbond land combo, Humans, and the most obvious is White Eldrazi. But I think the best, most automatic application is Survival. If I were testing for Champs with Survival, I would play test at least 3 between the maindeck and sideboard ASAP.

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Certainly a nice card to have the option to play, but I feel it’s closer to Grafdigger’s cage than a card that will suddenly warp the format.

That’s because this card has a few major limitations:

  1. It’s almost irrelevant against a good chunk of the meta (BUG, Bazaar decks, Aggro Shop variants).
  2. It’s significantly less powerful on the draw.
  3. It does nothing additional in multiples.
  4. It provides no actual pressure on your opponent.

This leads me to believe this is more of a sideboard card for beating Storm variants.

@vaughnbros said in [ELD] Deafening Silence:

Certainly a nice card to have the option to play, but I feel it’s closer to Grafdigger’s cage than a card that will suddenly warp the format.

Grafdigger's Cage is one of the most impactful printings in the entire history of the format. Cage still holds the record for the most Top 8 appearances in the first three months after it's printing ever (at 101), since I've been keeping track since around 2009. The number of cards that have directly and singly shaped the trajectory of the format since 1994 more than Cage may well be zero, or at least single-digits.

Here's what I wrote about Cage in my History of Vintage chapter for 2012:

Dark Ascension introduced a printing so format-altering that it was difficult to fully appreciate. In my set review, I declaimed that “Grafdigger’s Cage is the new sheriff in town, and the degree of its presence in the metagame moving forward will dictate what is possible and what is not.” I then spent more than 2000 words unpacking the strategic implications of a card that was seemingly so simple. Its two simple sentences mask its broad coverage and extensive reach. Most pointedly, I noted the effect that Cage had on Oath of Druids, Dredge, Yawgmoth’s Will, and Tinker, effectively neutering all of the above as long as it was in play. In their joint review for StarCityGames, Mark Hornung and Brian DeMars predicted that “Grafdigger's Cage ultimately will lead us into a metagame shift but one that is more ‘fair.’ ”

Grafdigger’s Cage was metagame defining, but it was not the only significant card for Vintage play. As I wrote in my review, “it is not simply the Cage that punishes the dominant anti-creature strategies of the format. There is a genuine arc towards beats and Fish type strategies in this set. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is one of the best White creatures ever printed. She is Thorn of Amethyst on legs, and heavily disrupts non-creature strategies, especially storm-based strategies, which are brutally punished by such effects.”

Thalia and Grafdigger’s Cage were major new printings for the Vintage format, and not necessarily welcome ones for players who enjoyed the more rollicking play patterns unique to the Vintage experience. These were printings that diminished the razzle-dazzle of an explosive format. Dark Ascension reinforced the trend towards creature strategies, in a forceful way. By the time of the next set review, Grafdigger’s Cage had exactly 101 Top 8 appearances in Vintage Top 8s, making it the most immediately played card I have ever counted.

The word "warp" is obviously the key word in your post, and it can mean different things to different people. But what I mean by "impact" is specifically Top 8 appearances.

It's hard to compare cards like Force of Vigor, Cage, Defeaning Silence, and Leyline of the Void with cards like Lodestone Gole, Jace, Narset, or Karn, as the former are tactical answers while the latter are strategic threats.

But by 'impact,' meaning Top 8 appearances, we can compare them more directly.

Grafdigger's Cage: 101 Top 8 appearances in first three months
Force of Vigor: 60
Narset: 44
Karn: 35
Lavinia: 26

Force of Vigor is by far the most played card from new sets this year in the first three months after it's printing. By that measure, I think Force of Vigor is far more impactful. And I would even say "warping," but that term is more vague and ambiguous, and really depends on what the user means precisely.

If Defeaning Silence is even close to Grafdigger's Cage in terms of influence (and I don't think it will be), it will be astonishingly significant.

I think it's more likely that this card is at the Lavinia/Collector's Ouphe level, maybe a little less.

But I'm also the person who predicted back in May/June that Force of Vigor would be the 'card of the year.'

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Ok, now do Damping Sphere. I think people are always prone to overestimate the effect of hate like this...

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