@vaughnbros said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

@desolutionist

I’d be very happy with turn time limits, while we are discussing ways to improve Vintage and magic in general. Watching someone combo for 10 minutes straight, while I just click “ok” over and over again is the dumbest, most boring part of the game.

That's my favorite part 🙂

On Magic Online you can just F6

@smmenen

What if I want to see if my mental misstep will be relevant? Or if I go start downloading some porn and forget I was playing a game of Vintage?

@desolutionist said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

People claim PO is non issue because of Null Rod. (LOL) meanwhile there’s another two mana artifact called Ankh of Mishra that has similar affect against Gush strategies.

I just had to LOL at this. 2 damage per land vs not being able to use any artifacts or develop mana. Doesn't seem similar to me.

@thewhitedragon69

It ends up being 5 damage for the first land or two. Fastbond is out of the question. Not being able to use mana vs. being dead from damage is pretty similar.

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@desolutionist said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

Not being able to use mana vs. being dead from damage is pretty similar.

given the choice between Null Rod and Ankh of Mishra for artifacts, which would you play? eidolon of the great revel is close to the latter, but we see a lot more collector ouphe then eidolon.

The RR casting cost is probably the bigger issue.

@john-cox said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

The RR casting cost is probably the bigger issue.

There's a general lack of respect for Ankh of Mishra around here. Next thing you know people will be talking trash on Black Vise.

@desolutionist Most decks can win on 3 or fewer lands with artifact mana. I'll take 5 damage and win the game vs sitting on 2 lands, no other mana, and a pile of uncastable cards in my hand until I die any day.

@Thewhitedragon69

I am talking about Ankh of Mishra against a deck that wants to make land drops every turn... A "land deck". Gush decks are not artifact mana decks. Could be Sphere of Resistance. There are plenty of options.

I wouldn't bring Ankh of Mishra in against PO. I would bring in Null Rod. What are you trying to say here? My point is there are counterstrategies for Gush the same as there are counterstrategies for PO.

You're thinking too hard.

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@desolutionist said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

You're thinking too hard.

Damn, I hate it when I do that...

@desolutionist said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

@john-cox said in SMIP: 2020 B&R Roundup:

The RR casting cost is probably the bigger issue.

There's a general lack of respect for Ankh of Mishra around here. Next thing you know people will be talking trash on Black Vise.

I really like black vise...

@desolutionist Ahh, I misread your post then. I was thinking you were saying Ankh vs a deck using gush is as good as Null Rod vs a deck like PO. Many decks, like Jeskai, use Gush and mystic Sanctuary, but, since Gush is restricted, will be taking at most 8-10 damage and just winning the game, whereas Null Rod vs PO is basically turning their deck off until they remove the rod.

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