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      LieNielsen @Protoaddict last edited by

      @protoaddict

      They can just print a card like this:

      “CARDNAME”
      0
      Artifact
      Add one green mana
      CARDNAME cannot be in the same deck as Mox Emerald

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        Protoaddict @LieNielsen last edited by

        @lienielsen said in Magic Universes Beyond:

        @protoaddict

        They can just print a card like this:

        “CARDNAME”
        0
        Artifact
        Add one green mana
        CARDNAME cannot be in the same deck as Mox Emerald

        This is almost the exact same example that Maro gave some time ago when he was explaining ways they would never be able to get away with circumventing the reserve list. I think he also ruled out doing snow covered true duals.

        Even with the extra copy on it that card is a functionally identical reprint because the exclusionary text would also apply to the original card, meaning it by definition also says "this card cannot be included in a deck with the other card". If you made it snow it would not be functionally identical, though it may actually be functionally superior if you did that, but again they said they would not "cheat" that way. It would also have a similar effect on the price tag of the original, which was the reason the reserve list exists.

        No to get away with it I think they have to print functionally superior or parallel cards, which is very hard to conceive of. Like I guess you could make the one ring literally be a lotus that spent for 4 mana but you have to exclude other 0 mana artifacts from your deck or something. Or you could print a Space Marines Mox that tapped for rainbow mana but could only be used on Space Marines tagged cards or something.

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        • joshuabrooks
          joshuabrooks TMD Supporter last edited by

          I mean you could make it tap for:

          1G or 1 Colorless

          Or do a Dual Land that also taps for colorless.

          But yeah, not a lot of upside for them in this direction (at least for the moxes, maybe the duals).

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          • BlindTherapy
            BlindTherapy last edited by

            snow/legend/whatever duals would mean, supertypes aside, that you can now run 5+ underground seas, or run a split so you still have lands in your deck vs waste+surgical, or whatever, but that in most cases your legacy deck, and maybe your 4 color CEDH deck, get a lot cheaper.
            doing the same thing for moxen just mean the game has more moxen, which is probably not a good idea, and they'd all be banned in commander so wotc probably wouldn't want to do that.
            will mtg:40k have some eldrazi temple-level broken mana? will Mount Doom be a legendary badlands? who knows. but we're not getting real moxen.

            A grave is the safest place to store ill-gotten treasures.

            NYSE 3 winner, vintage champs 2015 top 4, vintage champs mox emerald 2021 top 4.

            Unban Shahrazad.

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            • Chronatog
              Chronatog last edited by

              It looks like this is a good time to dig out my MECCG collection. But seriously, I am concerned more about how much damage MtG can do to the LotR franchise rather than how the LotR franchise can affect MtG. MtG will be just fine.

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                LieNielsen last edited by

                what about Sprite Dragon and Dorat the Perfect Pet? Couldn’t they do something like that?

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                  A Former User last edited by

                  We’re all a bunch of old farts that talk game but don’t actually play or purchase cards. It’s not like our opinions weighed on Wizards’ bottom line.

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                  • vaughnbros
                    vaughnbros last edited by vaughnbros

                    My only request is that the One Ring is so powerful and format breaking it starts on the restricted list.

                    Legendary Artifact - Equipment
                    Indestructible

                    Equipped creature gains unblockable and shroud.

                    At the end of each turn, if creature is not a zombie, put a +1/-1 counter on creature.

                    If creature dies while equipped and it is not a zombie then return as zombie and equip.

                    Whenever equipped creature deals damage to an opponent gain control of an artifact they control.

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                    • BlindTherapy
                      BlindTherapy @vaughnbros last edited by

                      @vaughnbros depending on the cost and the equip cost, this probably isn't even playable

                      A grave is the safest place to store ill-gotten treasures.

                      NYSE 3 winner, vintage champs 2015 top 4, vintage champs mox emerald 2021 top 4.

                      Unban Shahrazad.

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                      • vaughnbros
                        vaughnbros @BlindTherapy last edited by vaughnbros

                        @blindtherapy

                        0 to play and 0 to equip is the only acceptable cost for the one Ring. From a lore perspective a random hobbit can use it so that is where the cost needs to be.

                        What other buffs does it need?

                        It needs to be templated to combo with Hobbits, which should all have an ability to negate negative status effects.

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                        • BlindTherapy
                          BlindTherapy @vaughnbros last edited by

                          @vaughnbros said in Magic Universes Beyond:

                          From a lore perspective a random hobbit can use it so that is where the cost needs to be.

                          a random hobbit can use a magic dagger, and those can cost up to 3 to play and 3 to equip.

                          A grave is the safest place to store ill-gotten treasures.

                          NYSE 3 winner, vintage champs 2015 top 4, vintage champs mox emerald 2021 top 4.

                          Unban Shahrazad.

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                          • Protoaddict
                            Protoaddict @vaughnbros last edited by

                            @vaughnbros I mean, thematically the ring feels like it would just give you hexproof and unblockable, so kinda a variant on lightning greaves. Maybe if you make it insanely cheap but have it give like a -1/-1 counter every turn it could balance out?

                            Maybe poison counters could represent Sauron's corruption. The palintir could be like "Get a poison counter: Scry 2".

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                            • joshuabrooks
                              joshuabrooks TMD Supporter last edited by

                              Maybe different punishments depending on what color creature equips it?

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                              • vaughnbros
                                vaughnbros @BlindTherapy last edited by

                                @blindtherapy

                                They trained quite a bit to use the daggers, and obtained them during the quest.

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                                • thecravenone
                                  thecravenone @Guest last edited by

                                  @ok-boomer said in Magic Universes Beyond:

                                  We’re all a bunch of old farts that talk game but don’t actually play or purchase cards. It’s not like our opinions weighed on Wizards’ bottom line.

                                  I have a big list of cards that I'd love to give WotC money for but they won't let me 😕

                                  Quote from: Stormanimagus on March 16, 2016, 06:39:41 pm
                                  >Instead of tearing things down we should calmly explain our opinions.

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