White Eldrazi



  • @stuart I may have been confusing with what I was saying.

    I was trying to find maindeck space for more than 1 Displacer. I only had 1/75 and I wanted to increase that to 3/75. I think I will cut a Glowrider and a spirit of the labyrinth.

    And yes, Glowriders, labyrinths, Thorn, etc are cut when playing Shops postboard. For how devastating Serenity was after Mike played 7 permanents turn1, I will try to find room for 1 more Serenity in my sideboard. The way that game played out, his only out was Factory. He had it. Granted I was at 4 life and needed to start attacking him, Factory plus ravager can beat Serenity.



  • @ssasala Gotcha - thanks for the clarification.

    I'm with you on double Serenity, and will personally be cutting my Balance for it.



  • Another 5 Shops matches tonight, going 0-5. Kill me now.

    Drama aside, my buddy was testing a sideboard configuration with 2 Wurmcoil, 2 Precursor, and 2 Traxos. I don't think that's common (yet), but it was an absolute beating for White Eldrazi. Seems like a solid anti-Shops setup, so y'all might wanna be on the lookout for it.



  • @fsecco serenity is good. But Shops is just too fast. You play around stuff to only have them spew out 7 permanents. I will keep at it trying different sideboard cards, but playing against Shops is demoralizing.



  • @ssasala I don't play MTGO so I'm not incentivized to do this (because the rate of Shops in paper is smaller), but have you tried registering a board like this?

    4 Kataki
    4 Null Rod
    4 Serenity
    3 Cage

    I'd be interested to see what happens if you go way overboard on Shops hate. Theoretically, our maindeck is strong enough to stand a good chance against the rest of the field, so maybe we could get away with a board like this.



  • @stuart I don't know about Null Rod. It's my favorite card but it might not be where the deck needs to be. I need moxen too. Maybe damping Sphere is better vs Shops. There is overlap to the Storm and blue matchups too. I will have to test. And yes, damping Sphere does hurt me too, but not as much as Workshop.

    My theory is that DS takes out their 3 mana land where only takes out my 2 mana land ???

    I will up my count of serenity to see if that helps.



  • @ssasala Yeah, Null Rod can be a beating on us, but my experience is that it's a lot harder to beat Shops when their creatures get to do what they're supposed to do; ours outclass theirs when they're vanilla. Still, it does lead to some very bad draws and can backfire. All of which contributes to my feeling that Shops is just a garbage matchup.



  • If i wanted to switch over from shops, would you recommend white eldrazi or white trash? I think white eldrazi has put up more results but there’s a version of white trash I’ve seen floating around that I really like.

    Deck: Vintage White Trash.dec

    Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard

    Creatures:28
    3 Containment Priest
    3 Leonin Relic-Warder
    3 Phyrexian Revoker
    3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    3 Eldrazi Displacer
    3 Sanctum Prelate
    3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
    3 Palace Jailer

    Artifacts:9
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Chalice of the Void
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Null Rod

    Enchantments:2
    2 Stony Silence

    Lands:21
    3 Ancient Tomb
    3 Cavern of Souls
    2 Flagstones of Trokair
    2 Karakas
    7 Plains
    1 Strip Mine
    3 Wasteland

    Sideboard:15
    1 Aegis of the Gods
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    1 Gisela, the Broken Blade
    1 Baneslayer Angel
    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Mental Misstep
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    Any thoughts? I know TKS is insane but I’ve always felt like palace jailer is also quite strong.


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    @naixin If you're picking one, I think White Eldrazi would give you substantially better odds of winning matches than the deck you posted. It's more explosive and the overall card quality is higher. I would think there would be a lot of games with that white deck where you draw the wrong hate creature at the wrong time and just get run over.



  • Ok, I'll walk right into criticism. I've always loved Eldrazi since it burst onto the scene, though I've never really gotten it to work for me in terms of producing results. Recently, I've been halfheartedly fiddling around with splashing another color via the use of Ash Barrens. I've tried splashing green for Ramunap + Knight of the Reliquary. I tried red for things that don't make sense in this meta anymore. When Thorn got restricted I kinda gave up on the deck, but with the printing of Damping Sphere, it has me wondering again. What are anyone's thoughts on Ashbarrens White Eldrazi with a splash, including but not limited to saying that it's a moronic idea?



  • @topical_island I have a knight list that is absolutely nutter butters. I'll PM it to you if you'd like.



  • @stormanimagus Please do sir.



  • @revengeanceful said in White Eldrazi:

    @naixin If you're picking one, I think White Eldrazi would give you substantially better odds of winning matches than the deck you posted. It's more explosive and the overall card quality is higher. I would think there would be a lot of games with that white deck where you draw the wrong hate creature at the wrong time and just get run over.

    Fair enough. Would you have a white eldrazi list you recommend I start with?



  • @naixin said in White Eldrazi:

    If i wanted to switch over from shops, would you recommend white eldrazi or white trash? I think white eldrazi has put up more results but there’s a version of white trash I’ve seen floating around that I really like.

    Deck: Vintage White Trash.dec

    Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard

    Creatures:28
    3 Containment Priest
    3 Leonin Relic-Warder
    3 Phyrexian Revoker
    3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    3 Eldrazi Displacer
    3 Sanctum Prelate
    3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
    3 Palace Jailer

    Artifacts:9
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Chalice of the Void
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Mox Pearl
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Null Rod

    Enchantments:2
    2 Stony Silence

    Lands:21
    3 Ancient Tomb
    3 Cavern of Souls
    2 Flagstones of Trokair
    2 Karakas
    7 Plains
    1 Strip Mine
    3 Wasteland

    Sideboard:15
    1 Aegis of the Gods
    2 Kataki, War's Wage
    1 Gisela, the Broken Blade
    1 Baneslayer Angel
    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Mental Misstep
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    Any thoughts? I know TKS is insane but I’ve always felt like palace jailer is also quite strong.

    This is my list (I think I send it to you on Cockatrice), and obviously I really like it ;-) I wrote a primer on it a while ago.

    I initially designed it to beat Mentor (when it was unrestricted) and Shops (when Thorn was unrestricted). The Shops matchup has gotten worse since that deck got more aggressive because of the Thorn restriction.

    The thing I like the most about it is that it's much better at coming from behind than White Eldrazi and it creates harder locks (because of Spirit of the Labyrinth and Sanctum Prelate), but I agree that the more explosive nature of Eldrazi lists gives that deck some easier wins.

    I haven't been playing for quite some time now and I don't really know what has happened to the metagame lately, but I wouldn't have any hesitation picking up that list again. Perhaps it needs some adjustments though. I think the spots you want to look at first are the Relic-Warders and the Sanctum Prelates - and the sideboard of course.



  • @topical_island said in White Eldrazi:

    Ok, I'll walk right into criticism. I've always loved Eldrazi since it burst onto the scene, though I've never really gotten it to work for me in terms of producing results. Recently, I've been halfheartedly fiddling around with splashing another color via the use of Ash Barrens. I've tried splashing green for Ramunap + Knight of the Reliquary. I tried red for things that don't make sense in this meta anymore. When Thorn got restricted I kinda gave up on the deck, but with the printing of Damping Sphere, it has me wondering again. What are anyone's thoughts on Ashbarrens White Eldrazi with a splash, including but not limited to saying that it's a moronic idea?

    If you wanted to splash for a second color, I think I would look towards red. Mainly because of Meltdown but Flametongue Kavu is intriguing to me as well.



  • @griselbrother it was you :) Thank you for the response. I've been jamming some games with your list recently. I've found that Relic Warder is really good against Shops where as Spirit isn't as good against the blue decks as warder is against shops. I think that it's because Thalia already taxes them so hard. Maybe i've been playing the deck wrong though. Anyways, I think I would start by making Relic Warder a 4-of and start shaving on some Spirit of the Labys.



  • Eldrazi Obligator seems fun in Pink Eldrazi. At least, it’ll teach people for Tinkering into Blightsteel.



  • @naixin said in White Eldrazi:

    @griselbrother it was you :) Thank you for the response. I've been jamming some games with your list recently. I've found that Relic Warder is really good against Shops where as Spirit isn't as good against the blue decks as warder is against shops. I think that it's because Thalia already taxes them so hard. Maybe i've been playing the deck wrong though. Anyways, I think I would start by making Relic Warder a 4-of and start shaving on some Spirit of the Labys.

    Interestingly, I've had the exact opposite experience with Spirit. It's a card I always want to see against blue decks. Under which circumstances has it been underperforming for you?

    I'm glad you like the Relic-Warders. It was the latest addition I made to the deck. It was initially added to improve the Shops matchup of course, but it's just as much a catch-all card to deal with cards that can otherwise be troublesome: Oath, Tinker, Moat, Time Vault etc., and of course it improves the mana denial plan as well.

    Regarding Prelate that's a card I have a love/hate relationship with. I'm definitely a bigger fan of that card than most Hatebear players, but I aknowledge its weaknesses. Sometimes it's just stuck in hand being too slow and you wish it was something else. But when it's good, it's really, really good and can close out games or even single-handedly win you games. I know most compare it to Chalice, but to me it's more like a Meddling Mage on steroids.



  • @griselbrother I guess my main issue is I have a problem with spirit sticking. It always gets countered and If I use caverns, it always gets abraded or STPed. I think I just need to re-evaluate my sequencing and use something like Thalia 2.0 or another critter as bait more. I run the odd choice of wanting to land spirit as early as I can to shut down card draw but save it for when they use removal for other stuff.



  • @naixin said in White Eldrazi:

    @griselbrother I guess my main issue is I have a problem with spirit sticking. It always gets countered and If I use caverns, it always gets abraded or STPed. I think I just need to re-evaluate my sequencing and use something like Thalia 2.0 or another critter as bait more. I run the odd choice of wanting to land spirit as early as I can to shut down card draw but save it for when they use removal for other stuff.

    I think that's just a testiment of the strenght of Spirit more than anything else. You can't do much about removal other than consider your sequencing and play Mental Misstep.

    Currently I'm working on a W/r list basedon on on the mono white list I created. Basically it's just an attempt to improve the Shops matchup, primarily because of By Force.

    It also doesn't run Null Rod/Stony Silence at the moment.


 

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