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@moorebrother1 said in Is any deck fair?:

The concept of interaction is really in the eye of the beholder. I do not find counterspells to be interactive.

The idea that a deck is fair because it’s plan for winning is to control the game and take over is not fair. The term fair should be reserved for Standard in my opinion.

What makes counterspell not interactive? I think there are exciting and unexciting things about counterspells, but it seems whether i like them or not, they are literally 'interaction'.

What does fair mean in the context of Standard then?

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@brianpk80 said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

@aeonsovarius said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

Lodestone has 1 more power and makes your opponent cast less spells.
Windfall draws 6 or 7 cards but they can be anything instead of requiring a deck of moxes.
Are all of these truly comparable?

They're comparable. Comparisons are made between two subjects that share attributes but are not identical. Golem/Hollow One and Windfall/PO share many attributes without being identical. Hence the comparison.

We both know what compare means and that anything in the world can be compared. I was presuming here it was understood i meant "are these really that close?". We can draw comparisons but it doesn't seem appropriate to point to 2 totally different creatures that operate on 2 totally different axes and say "we must restrict both (or neither)". One of the major commonalities between the 2 is the creature type but i know which i'd rather my opponent have 4 of in their deck. (and to be clear, i don't necessarily believe Lodestone should be restricted, just that one is better on average and the deck it belongs to performs better on average).

@brianpk80 said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

@aeonsovarius said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

If bazaar is arguably more overpowered, what do you think accounts for the meta share and win rates/Top8's of Shops vs Dredge?

Bazaar generates more value with less investment than Mishra's Workshop, regardless of what players subjectively decide to play on any given weekend. There's an example above illustrating how much it yields contrasted with the trivial investment of tapping a land.

I'd be inclined to agree, mostly, but i really do not think it is mere preference or coincidence that one outperforms the other and is a much higher meta share. Having 4 Bazaar and 4 Hollow One in your deck just isn't as powerful as the current major iteration of shops.

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One thing i've wondered about (and i've been playing 3 Forces is various decks on and off for a good while) in decks like this is, can't we play 2 forces? I don't think it's a card that must be 0 or 4 and i see this as doing a bunch of stuff besides blue stew. But it must increase the chance and diversity at interaction, no? Or give you some opportunities to tap out when needed. Maybe 1% of the time the opponent puts you on a force-less deck and walks into it, heh.

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@brianpk80 said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

Lodestone Golem is restricted for its efficiency with Workshop while Hollow One is not for its efficiency with Bazaar. Windfall is restricted but Paradoxical Outcome is not. Four cards are restricted specifically to mitigate Mishra's Workshop and zero are restricted to mitigate the arguably even more overpowered Bazaar of Baghdad. Lotus Petal is restricted but Mox Opal isn't.

Lodestone has 1 more power and makes your opponent cast less spells.
Windfall draws 6 or 7 cards but they can be anything instead of requiring a deck of moxes.
If bazaar is arguably more overpowered, what do you think accounts for the meta share and win rates/Top8's of Shops vs Dredge?

Are all of these truly comparable?

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@stuart said in RUG Pyromancer:

Snapcasters (because of Cage)?

Snap is still an ambush viper who can at least get in and chump block to 'gain' you 3-4 life and kill Bridges. But with only 2 Cages (in this particular list) you are probably still going to cast a spell with him sometimes.

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Besides whether or not i like this change or think it's healthy, i've mostly been thinking;

"Does it really matter if Dredge has a 95% or 99% to start with Bazaar".

The answer to that for me is 'not really', but it's mostly what comes up when someone mentions the London, even from non-vintage players. People keep saying Dredge will be broken (and only some of them are saying in jest) and i'm just 'not really, they win game 1 anyway and i can more safely mull to hate in game 2 as well'.

Dredge will not be a broken Tier 0 deck just because of London Mulligan.

I think that this is just a different mulligan and i'm excited to try if it becomes a thing, and things are just fine if it doesn't.

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@wfain It was a game against Dredge, and i figured i'd either land enough hate against them to stabilize, or i'd die too fast to durdle durdle with Squee. I had priests, rav traps, crypts to bring in. But i did have Wonder, i don't know why i said that.

@gutocmtt I had 2 Stony, 2 Flux, 1 Mindbreak because out of 8 people it was once again 4 PO.

@Serracollector Leo also costs 3 and is very difficult for them to remove. If i were playing a version without counters, and therefore more creautures presumably, i'd probably play it again.

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I didn't try Graf Cage last night for vintage fnm as i do think that is pushing it. But i boarded out 2 venges in a couple matches, and i'm not playing Deep Analysis anyway, and was pretty rewarded against my opponents double dropping Cage/Crypt and stuff all the time. Got Leylined at one point and i had no Wonder, Squee, Cruise, and just 2 Venges in the deck.

Again, full disclosure is that i have no experience, but i found it more rewarding not to fight a counter war against opponent's hate. Is that conventional or ill-advised? I haven't really read a sideboarding guide for Bug Survival (or in general).

I also tested out 2 Lavinia with 2 Savs instead of 3 Trops.

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@wfain said in Survival:

@aeonsovarius
Based on what you expect, it’s worthwhile to consider Hurkyl’s Recall over Energy Flux. It’s far better against PO while still being something against Shops if you happen to run into it.

I'm not completely aware, actually, why we would play Energy Flux. Is it essentially just vs shops?

@gnargoyles said in Survival:

Honesty really curious trying Graf diggers cage as an option. Yea it has anti synergy with some cards but has some potential splash dmg against other decks.

I've thought that could be a thing, but i'm not sure. Friday will be my first time playing this deck for real, the rest has just been casually testing with a friend. I was thinking though, you could board out 2 Venges. That gives you 2 Venges to do a survival trick with, but not so many that you could end up with a bad hand that relies on dumping multiple Venges. Venge is the only creature we have that enters from the gy/lib and the only spell we have is Deep Analysis.

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My meta this friday for FNM will be a ton of paradoxical i believe. We had 8 players last month. 2 Oath, 1 Survival, 4 Paradoxical, 1 traditional Ritual Storm. There is randomly 1 or 2 shops, sometimes a Mentor, and sometimes a dredge.

I think my meta is small and predictable enough to change my sideboard a bit from what a league list would be expecting to face on average.

Any particular suggestions? I actually don't own leylines at the moment so i will be playing traps regardless of my thinkering between the 2, or Traps and Crypts.

@gutocmtt said in Survival:

Dark confidant can still be a thing, [...] if we go down in combo that may be a possibility.

That's a good way to look at it.

I don't think it's good to play chalice in the bug or dark version

Is there a reason why not?

@gnargoyles said in Survival:

i feel like leyline is more cut and dry on which matchups you want it and which you dont. You may be crippling percentage points in matches like xerox (but the match is already somewhat favorable).

You wouldn't be boarding either Leyline or Rav Trap in against a xerox deck, i would imagine? What do you mean losing points then?

How do you feel about Guto's assessment of wanting to avoid mulliganing to Leyline?

Going to try to upload an interesting game i just had against Oath.

Oh please do, sounds cool.

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Rav Trap or Leylines?

Dark Confidant and Chalice are just completely out?

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@ajfirecracker said in Cavern of Souls sideboard:

I wonder if it would be worth running a random UB elemental to tutor up as a pitch card. I think that's just going too deep, but part of me wants to make Muldrotha, the Gravetide Vintage "playable"

At least it's a reasonably 'okay' Dread Return target as well, if not encumbered by Leyline. Play Bazaar every turn is a little like Sunny.

@vaughnbros said in Cavern of Souls sideboard:

Muldrotha is definitely playable, but not really in these lists. There is a really nice infinite loop with it, lotus and animate dead that allows you to recur all your non-land permanents

What is this loop? I'm aware of the loop to Animate Dead a Phantasmal Image with Lotus (LED for cEDH) but not this.

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Has anyone played a list with a mix of Leo and Lavinia? I've seen discussion about which to play, and i've seen the Lav lists now where it's more all-in on her (4 copies plus Mox Diamonds to support).

Just wondering how reasonable it is to just have like 2-2 or something in an otherwise normal BUG list.

And less people are playing Dark Confidant, Chalice, and Thorn? Seems to be dropping off.

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This and all local vintage metas i keep hearing about make me want to move to New England.

There's some little talk about doing a large yearly even in a similar vein here in the PNW with Card Kingdom's storefront. We have a monthly sanctioned Vintage right now but probably a ways off from a big enough event to draw attendance from across the nation.

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@ajfirecracker said in Survival:

1x Gigapede
He has a very Squee-like effect vs controlling decks

I brought up Pharaoh before and opinions don't seem to have changed. I think Pharaoh's highest potential is that it's 'fine'. I could see punching back and forth with shops, and it's also a way to guarantee you have a creature in hand for Survival. But in playing i still have not had a reasonable chance to test him so i'm not sure if that grind factor really applies to shops. But, i have run out of creatures and just wished i had Bazaar to put a creature in my hand, so that's kinda cool with Pharaoh and with Gigapede. Gigapede has to have another card in hand but guarantees you get a body in hand. I just don't think that's as exciting as having another Squee because i have never been in a situation (so far. again; i don't play online so i don't play as much as much as others responding) where i'm like "welp, time to cast 5 drops old fashioned". I barely ever cast Vengevine so far.

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Has anyone a link to a list of the Mox Diamond version?

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It doesn't appear the Card Titan twitch had every swiss round, not sure if by mistake or design.

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Any updates on this list?

Have you seen/like Trinisphere in the main?

Have you seen/like Dark Depths in 2CM?

I played against a 2cm deck at Eternal Weekend a year ago, and they had StageDepths with Crucibles and Mirage Mirrors and probably 2 Strips. Saw Bazaar as well. They had Leyline/Helm, not sure if they had Goblin, Grindstone, or Servant; they may be what was cut from their version.

What's your take on Wheel? Jar is clearly superior, although i feel like squeezing in another draw 7. I'm not a player of this deck, just thinking about it.

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@rat3de said in What Dredge version should i build for others to play? (Common? Best? Easy to pilot?):

@AeonSovarius This is actually a great opportunity for me, as I was starting to write a dredge primer for vintage. This will allow me to collect and summarize my thoughts, so hopefully I do a good job!

Super great help actually. Good timing, and @volrathxp just posted a video on pitch dredge yesterday!

Personally I dislike Gurmag Angler, and I think many people would agree. He is simply counter-intuitive to how dredge function at a basic level.

Oh for sure. I think people aren't going for dredging when they use this, though, but rather as a 1 mana 5/5 as long as the graveyard isn't exile.

  1. Lands: As with nearly all cards, this depends on your list. If you are running more Blooghast, you can run more consistent lands like Dakmor Salvage and Undiscovered Paradise. You do not have any other reason to not run the Rainbow land, as far as I know.

You wouldn't run Paradise if you weren't casting spells and having Bloodghast. I see a good number of lists with barely any land or strictly just the 4 Bazaar or 4 Bazaar/2 Dakmor. The side has 6-7 lands and removal (Claim, Wispmare, Chewer). I'm not sure what the sideboard plan is though? (this is pitch dredge lists i've seen, maybe you board out counters)

  1. Creeping Chill: I personally really like the card, but it is completely unproven. I think if Oath or DPS where to become meta, then it could potential be good.

Why would you said it's good against oath?

  1. GY hate: I would say this has to do with the expected meta. I would avoid Ravenous Trap, as it seems very risky and bad in the mirror. For Leyline, it is generally seen as a low cost inclusion that can help you against a fair amount of the field because of how most decks abuse the graveyard.

My question was in regards to playing it in the main board. As far as i can tell, it is reasonable because you have such a huge g1 win %, those 3-4 cards don't matter vs any deck you autowin against, but is what makes the g1 mirror better. I've only seen a couple lists with rav trap or leyline in the main. But yeah for sure, hurts traditional storm and oath and lots of things on the side.