I see it as a 2 mana scry 2 draw 2 that's very slow, which is an awful ceiling.
At it's worst, it's a slow scry 2 draw 2 that requires you to cast a specific spell and can be destroyed to counter the draw spell. Having to cast the named spell is not good when you don't draw immediately due to fetchlands* or the course of the game changing what you want to react with, even changing so much your opponent is just winning before you're landing the draw trigger.
It would be great for a deck that wants enchantments in play and doesn't use fetchlands, like the kinds of decks that would crop up in standard.
- Actually, my bad, of course you can name something in hand, not necessarily one fo the cards you 'top'. Duh, me.
The biggest threat to Bazaar decks is a restriction, and i don't think it's likely since we have several archetypes that use it - unless something really unforeseeable, it's likely better to restrict around it (imp if dredge actually became broken broken and not regular broken, hollow one if either dredge or survival became a problem, etc)
The financial aspect is too personal for us to guess, i think. You gotta analyze and decide if you have the $4K to spend, or if you can spring for $8k and do something else, or if you want to play an unpowered deck and save many thousands.
You can build a vintage dredge deck for only a nominal amount after you own Bazaars. You really want Lotus and Moxes in Survival but it's easy to branch out into that deck next if you play nonblue (easy is a relative term of course, i just mean it's next step up in terms of how many pieces of power). You coulllld play without the fast mana, haha.
Prices are getting to be to their lowest point of the year with holidays, and they're more likely to rebound or spike than to stay depressed. They certainly won't be their prices they were 2 years ago, or 5 years ago. Prices tend to creep up or spike entering spring.
The alternative to buying Bazaars is to pick up Ancestral and Time Walk and play maybe Jeskai Dreadhorde without fast mana? Or also a pyromancer or delver variant, any list that doesn't really lean on fast mana (like shops and oath for example, which i think are more unplayable without the 6 fast mana than Dreadhorde is without 2 or 3 fast mana).
You can also play Bazaars in a fastbond lands variant and rely on the Mox Diamonds, just play a non-prison version so you don't have to get shops.
Re: where to buy! Facebook is your best bet if you don't mind getting a grasp of it. Prices will always be under SCG/CK/CFB/TCG/Ebay. It's scary to buy from strangers but you can use paypal g&s. I buy and sell tons over FB for side income (i sold $9,958 in October, woot woot) and i could help you track down some pieces and check people's references or straight up 3rd party a sale for you to check for counterfeits. I've done it before and i 3rd party international trades frequently for overseas folks when they run out of luck finding US traders to ship to them.
Other than that, events is great so you can have the card in hand and can negotiate. Ebay auctions can sometimes go great. I have 100 saved searches (the max on the app) for high end cards so i see prices all day every day and sometimes people get lucky.
I'm back on MTGO after maybe 8 years or so?
Well i've almost completely forgot how to use anything and it all looks different. I barely managed to buy cards off MTGOTraders and put them into a deck, haha.
So my questions about how to use...
The Vintage League says it fires Jan 14th, that doesn't make sense? Are the Leagues just firing when full?
Where do i find the schedule for the weekly and other events?
Whats the difference between Challenge, League, and Playoff?
What else might i need to know about jamming some online events before Eternal Weekend?
Any known glitches that may come up? (Trinisphere used to not work correctly with Phyrexian Mana i believe) Or annoying features like clicking through Flusterstorm...
Thank you all.
I've played in Oath, Paradoxical Oath, and builds of Oath and Paradoxical that transform. It's a great card! And you know what, there's kind of less Dack Fayden right now so it could be really good. They dodge virtually the same amount of removal, too. I like the lifegain though, and not dying on crackback to dude decks (shops and survival). Maye it could make a comeback, but on the other hand i've cast Sphinx a few times in the last couple dozen games.
New events posted up on MTGTop 8 gives me some insight to how much i'd like to have Nature's Claim in the main, which is very little in this meta. Shops has declined some.
I thought Abrade could make a comeback for me. I've been trying it but i'm just wondering if i should try playing a Veil of Summer main or something else with a little bit of spice. I'm never happy with it really but it's such a good card.
Spell Pierce, is it fine in Oath? We don't mind going for a long game if we keep the opponent's threats down, but the longer it goes the more likely an opponent can have 2 mana. Miser Mana Drain fine?
3 Pyro in the main is too much or just fine? It doesn't seem too too excessive, but maybe the 4th in the SB is? Jeskai is generally playing 2 or 3, seems to a bit over half the lists are on 3. A recent Oath deck in the league on the 15th took 2nd and was straight up playing 4 in the main (they were also playing 3 abrade and 4 narset)
What's the role of Gush nowadays? I see no one playing it, but i feel like it used to be.
What's the role of black to play DT and Vamp and Will? This is another thing i've seen people come off of to a degree, from the last 2 months about half of the Oath decks were including black still but i've seen a RUG oriented approach.
16 Lands and 5 mana rocks? I had 17 lands and it was definitely causing flood.
My singleton Mana Confluence? I essentially have this instead of a basic Island since i'm playing 4 colors. The life loss can't exactly be ignored but i've really never been disappointed in drawing it. The larger downside may be the lack of a basic.
I really like lightning bolt, and if anything i'd play 2 in the main before i cut the first. That's not crazy is it? Plus one in the side. It's just so good against a fair amount of creatures and Narset.
I would love to try a misdirection again. Veil of Summer seems a bit like it fills a similar role in countering Decay/Trophy, but Misdirection is free and reverses the removal rather than just counter, or snag opposing Ancestrals. Misdirection also snags Fragmentize unlike Veil.
My list, i don't know how to format.
The Monsters Three:
1x Niv Mizzet Parun
1x Sphinx of the Steel Wind
4x Forbidden Orchard
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Mana Confluence
2x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta
1x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
2x Tropical Island
More Mana (5):
1x Treasure Cruise
1x Dig Through Time
1x Gitaxian Probe
4x Force of Will
1x Mental Misstep
1x Spell Pierce
1x Lightning Bolt
1x Ancient Grudge
2x Dack Fayden
2x Narset, Parter of Veils
Oaths, Tutors, and other Vintage (9):
4x Oath of Druids
1x Time Walk
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
Any thoughts or recommendations are appreciated!
For sure, but that's about the only one. The fish style decks that can use this, too, but i don't know what kind of % representation they are at right now. The nonbasic clause (or lack of a basic clause actually) allows for multicolor decks (duals) but you can't have too many utility lands. So in a way, not even all blue decks can even play it.
I'm just thinking the amount of turns it takes to get to 4 islands though. It's not necessarily Turn 4 and so i think when evaluating this card you should consider that.
Hmmm, have to have 4 lands in play (this being the 4th) and none of them can be Karakas, Academy, Strip, or Library (or you're another turn away from fulfilling requirements)? Can't be Orchard. You have to dodge Strip/Waste. Super grindy deck that wants this.