What does a Stax or Null Rod build look like right now? Ravager, PO and Oath all feel like something that gets shut out by Rod or Bridge.
Posts made by Dice_Box
RE: Vintage Lands Deck
That's something to look at. I like the idea of Lands in Vintage. I am unsure how much you would want to play it right now though seeing as it is weak to Combo.
RE: Workshop Aggro
I don't actually have a answer, just an idea. It may not work at all. Foundry is a good option, as are cards that buff the table. I don't really see a disadvantage with that plan.
The bonus on Throne to me would be the option to give a pseudo +2 power go everything on 2 mana. I guess that's not nothing. With a Copter you can just kill sometimes.
RE: Workshop Aggro
The plan I was building around was combing Smuggler's Copter and Throne. Copter let's me tap everything and Throne adds a ton of damage that way. Also the copter let's you ditch shit you don't need. But I would like to see if I can find space for other cards. Right now it's a first pass on just that idea alone. It might not work, but if it does its a very strong combo. Adding Foundry or Ballista would give more reach, I just don't know what I would cut other than Throne and Thopter.
RE: Workshop Aggro
I am not sure how useful this is going to be, but I did a first pass on something I am fooling around with. The old robots build updated with some new shit and foot to the floor thanks to the ban.
4 Arcbound Ravager
1 Lodestone Golem
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Signal Pest
2 Steel Overseer
1 Black Lotus
2 Cranial Plating
3 Genesis Chamber
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
3 Smuggler's Copter
1 Sol Ring
2 Sphere of Resistance
4 Tangle Wire
1 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Throne of the God-Pharaoh
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Umezawa's Jitte
I am not sure how well this will work out, but I think it has some promise.
RE: August 28, 2017 Banned & Restricted Announcement
It is sad that Smokestack is no longer I card I can play in Vintage, but I feel like Workshop as a card will be fine. I am not surprised and not really unhappy. I think I will play Affinity for a while.
RE: Turbo Xerox and Monastery Mentor
It is still true; you've actually just made my point.
No, I didnt. You have moved on to talking about different cards, in different situations overlooking the point in its totality. MM will always have a negative impact on formats where the ideal is a race to the lowest possible mana cost. A wrath costs 4, swell, but if it costed 1, that 4 mana one would be cast aside. Goyf costs 2, print a 1 mana one and it will be cast aside too. You do not ever pay more mana than one must for a card, something that has nothing to do with Shops and Spheres and just a realisation of the increasing card pool. As the card pool grows and cards like Fatal Push see print, MM's prominace grows with them. Today, more than ever, I would not build a Blue deck without MM.
(Please note: I do understand that talking about a wrath at 1 CMC is hyperbolic. Its an example I never do expect to see, but it proves the point.)
The comment I was taking issue with was "They are forced into that position because all strategies must reduce their curve to be competitive against mana denial strategies such as those used in Mishra's Workshop based decks." This is bull. People are not forced to play 1 mana versions of a once 2 mana card because of Sphere, they are doing it because it's the most effective way to make a deck. Sure, the changes help against mana denial, but that is a lovely secondary effect of the choice being made for structural and efficiency reasons. I am not going to play a 2 mana card over a one mana card, even if there are no Spheres in the format.
As for a card like Chalice, Ingot Chewer was often used against me when I was playing it, yet another 1 mana effect to deal with me. Another race to the lowest possible option. So even if Chalice was still everywhere, 1 mana is still the cost of choice to deal with it, regardless of what it is set on.
"The format should not be designed based on Mentor Mirrors."
I agree, pity someone else did not and restricted the wrong two cards.