@desolutionist
I had a two card monte style deck with oaths and dark depths. Thats what the deck really becomes if you go down that route.

I liked the idea of using artifact mutation on something like a LSG or tanglewire. By Force is way less swingy and I'll make the swap.
Thanks for the feedback, and the deck is almost all red now 😲!

Also,
@mediumsteve said in R/G Hatebears:

I'll preface by saying that I don't think this deck is going to be great, but anyways...

100% on that. I just want something fun and cheap. If I wanted good I'd play a different deck.

Any Idea whats better, Torch Fiend or Tin Street Hooligan? I sorta like Torch Fiend more right now.

@Ten-Ten I actually have Scab-Clan Berserker sleeved up, don't know how I forgot that.
@Chase_Dagger Good call, the only downside I see is how symmetrical it is, but I think its worth it.
@Serracollector I'll give those a whirl.

I'd like to make a R/G Hate Bear deck. I don't want to do this because I think its the best deck, or the best hate bear deck. I Just like R/G Hate Bears.

The main draw to R/G is Simian and Elvish Spirit Guide(s). This gives to 8 on colour accelerators. With ancient tomb you have 12 ways to cast null rod on turn one before looking at solomoxen.

The main red bears are;

Magus of the Moon
Harsh Mentor
Sin Prodder
Tin Street Hooligan
Stingscourger

The main green bears are;

Ambush Viper
ThornWeild Archers

There is also
Phyrexian Revoker

These should Probably be auto includes,
Null rod x 4
Chalice of the Void
Trinisphere

Some cards worth considering are;

Artifact Mutation
Deathrite Shaman
Lightning Bolt (and/or)Dismember
Smuggler's Copter
Blood Moon
Mental Misstep
Cavern of souls

Any insight into cards I've missed would be great!

I'd like to use 4 Wasteland and 4 Ancient tomb. With Strip mine I have 9 off colour lands. If I have 8 guides and a 12 land fetch mana base I'll have 29 slots devoted to mana. That seems high, especially when everything has a casting cost of 2-3.

Does anyone have suggestions Insofar as which bears would have the greatest impact? Any thoughts on the best way to deal with the mana bloat? Anything I'm not thinking of that would be really great?

Thanks in advance,

John

IMO I would stack Flusterstorms and Missteps, and use cavern if possible is I wanted to win the mirror.

The problem I foresee with trying to out draw my opponent is that I don't know how far I would have to go right now. I feel like vintage is looking for a new draw engine and no one really knows what that looks like. What that is, and what to add to that to make an improved version of it is probably the better question right now.

This could be fun with some of the really bad draw sevens.

This would be great in that W/r deck Josh Potucek made a few years ago "Simian's Mom". I could see a deck like that working now very well.

This is the 1st place deck from a daily on the 7th. Also note its the only hard control list on TC Decks front page. It has Gifts. I don't want to get into a fight over this vs Gifts et al, but I think this card might be worth trying in the right deck.
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=22845&iddeck=176705

Don't some controlish lists (standstill etc) use a singleton Fact or Fiction/Forbidden Alchemy. Could this work there? Possibly for the same reason that Walking Ballista is good in shops?

• (to clarify, I mean the modality that comes with a varying casting cost, not the ability to dome your opponent)