@prospero said in Historical Vintage Exhibition:

@joshuabrooks I had a format that I put very little work into developing, but it was basically Vintage through Scourge. It was a lot of fun, and I should have put more work into it. Maybe in the future, unless somebody else wants to take up the mantle.

Yeah, I remember when you came out with it. I was wishing I lived on Long Island for a week. Would have loved to give the ole keeper/cunning wish deck a spin for old times sake. Not to mention, classic frames!!!

I think the format has potential (lots of decks to play, affordable, and great spells), but I don’t necessarily miss 15min YawgWills :).

@Miryafa I meant to write earlier, but I think this is a great idea! Something we all wish we had the time to do, or have been curious about at some point in our Magic lives. I have fond memories of my friends and I re-running the old Zak Dolan vs. Bertrand Lestree matchup dozens of times in the past (spoiler: it doesn't end well for Zak), but we had tremendous fun. I often wonder if far down the road, when people tire of 93/94, we'll have a re-writing of Magic history as every metagame gets re-explored year by year. I know @Prospero tried it at one point for those that were nostalgic towards the early/mid 2000s. Might have been an idea ahead of its time.

I'm sure if you asked for people to submit decks, you would get some good recommendations. I've always been curious about the old fabled Maysonet RackBalance deck. I personally don't think it's as timeless as people claim, and would love to see it run against a more modern deck and be proven wrong. Keep doing what you're doing!

So I recently started playing MTGO (a little) after a 3yr hiatus (births, toddlers, etc). I was astounded at how far the prices of power and some of the key Vintage cards have fallen ($5 for a mox?).

1.) On one hand, I was super excited that I could pretty much update a few of my older decks to tournament ready for less than $50.
2.) On the other, it was a stark contrast to paper magic, in that it was a horrible financial investment, some cards losing almost 80%+ of their financial value over that time.

Anyway......the purpose of this post was that I had forgotten how much I enjoyed playing MTGO, how easy it is to log on and off, and how great the experience is. I know a lot of people hate the program, mention the bugs, and of course that is justified; but when you think of how complicated a program for Magic must be, I think overall the experience is great. I love the clocks, shuffling and sideboarding are much easier, and all my opponents were nice (or at least neutral). It really is one of the best tools for getting better at playing (in just a few matches, I was able to learn some new things). We all know repetition is the key to Magic play improvement.

I've had friends on the fence about MTGO for years, but I think at current prices they are taking a look. And if someone is already into Legacy, power is extremely affordable (historically speaking).

TDLR; MTGO is historically cheap. It's a great tool for getting better.

Hope to see you soon! I'll be the newbie trying to figure out splitting flusterstorms.

@vaughnbros said in JULY 2, 2018 BANNED AND RESTRICTED UPDATE:

@chubbyrain said in JULY 2, 2018 BANNED AND RESTRICTED UPDATE:

But you have to understand that fun on a collective level is not subjective: it is objective.

For a game "fun" for the most people possible is definitely THE objective. However, I do not think that fun can ever be objectively measured. How each individual defines "fun" varies and when you aggregate up to the population of people that variation still exists. It also matters what group of people you are aggregating to. You used the word "collective". Who are these "collective" whose "fun" matters?

I know that Wizards gets a lot of heat from the internet, but I would suspect that by now they have a very good understanding of what makes Magic "fun" and "unfun." There might be a small subset of people that love getting taxed out of the game, or don't mind an opponent countering every one of their spells, but I would suspect this is a very small percentage. We all enjoy "vintaging" and maybe even getting "vintaged" once in awhile, but I'm guessing few like it over time, in droves.

It's actually a very easy metric to measure (though maybe not as much in Vintage). If they are selling tons of packs, people are having fun. If boxes are being closed out, the design team obviously did something unfun. After 20yrs, they probably know why these situations occur. This could also be carried over to MTGO as well. It might not be accurate all the time, but if more people are playing, and more matches are being played, people are having "fun."

Maybe too simple and unsatisfying of an explanation for people into statistics and outliers, but very simple from a sales and marketing perspective.

I love following this thread, and love all the work being put into this deck. Gonna try to give it a spin next week.

This hasn’t been talked about in the thread, but I am guessing this deck is waaayyyyy more fun to play on MTGO than paper, right?

@wfain said in Survival Salad:

@joshuabrooks I legitimately don’t know what TNT is? Some kind of Tooth and Nail deck or no?

And old deck from 2003/2004? Nicknamed from Tools N' Tubbies.

Used:
Workshop
Goblin Welder
Memory Jar
Triskelion
Su-Chi
Juggernaut
Survival of the Fittest/Anger/Wonder/Squee

And some variants included Pyrostatic Pillar, Blood Moon, etc. Was an amazingly fun deck to play.

I love this thread and it looks like an awesome deck @wfain . I can't wait to take it for a spin. It's rare that a vintage deck requires someone to grab a bunch of cards they have never owned before, so well done!

Now take this one step further and figure out how to resurrect TNT and take us to the promised land

I haven't updated this in awhile, but here was the original chronology:

Ali from Cairo 1/25/1994
Ancestral Recall 1/25/1994
Berserk 1/25/1994
Black Lotus 1/25/1994
Braingeyser 1/25/1994
Dingus Egg 1/25/1994
Gauntlet of Might 1/25/1994
Icy Manipulator 1/25/1994
Mox Emerald 1/25/1994
Mox Jet 1/25/1994
Mox Pearl 1/25/1994
Mox Ruby 1/25/1994
Mox Saphire 1/25/1994
Orcish Oriflamme 1/25/1994
Rukh Egg 1/25/1994
Shahrazad 1/25/1994
Sol Ring 1/25/1994
Timetwister 1/25/1994
Time Vault 1/25/1994
Time Walk 1/25/1994
Channel 3/23/1994
Copy Artifact 3/23/1994
Demonic Tutor 3/23/1994
Regrowth 3/23/1994
Wheel of Fortune 3/23/1994
Candelabra of Tawnos 5/2/1994
Feldon's Cane 5/2/1994
Ivory Tower 5/2/1994
Library of Alexandria 5/2/1994
Mishra's Workshop 6/13/1994
Chaos Orb 8/1/1994
Divine Intervention 8/1/1994
Falling Star 8/1/1994
Mind Twist 8/1/1994
Mirror Universe 8/1/1994
Recall 8/1/1994
Sword of the Ages 8/1/1994
Underworld Dreams 8/1/1994
Maze of Ith 10/10/1994
Balance 4/19/1995
Fork 4/19/1995
Zuran Orb 11/1/1995
Black Vise 2/1/1996
Fastbond 10/1/1996
Strip Mine 1/1/1998
Stroke of Genius 1/1/1999
Tolarian Academy 1/1/1999
Windfall 1/1/1999
Memory Jar 4/1/1999
Time Spiral 4/1/1999
Crop Rotation 10/1/1999
Doomsday 10/1/1999
Dream Halls 10/1/1999
Enlightened Tutor 10/1/1999
Frantic Search 10/1/1999
Grim Monolith 10/1/1999
Hurkyl's Recall 10/1/1999
Lotus Petal 10/1/1999
Mana Crypt 10/1/1999
Mana Vault 10/1/1999
Mind over Matter 10/1/1999
Mox Diamond 10/1/1999
Mystical Tutor 10/1/1999
Tinker 10/1/1999
Vampiric Tutor 10/1/1999
Voltaic Key 10/1/1999
Yawgmoth's Bargain 10/1/1999
Yawgmoth's Will 10/1/1999
Demonic Consultation 10/1/2000
Necropotence 10/1/2000
Fact or Fiction 1/1/2002
Earthcraft 3/1/2003
Entomb 3/1/2003
Gush 6/1/2003
Mind's Desire 6/1/2003
Burning Wish 12/1/2003
Chrome Mox 12/1/2003
Lion's Eye Diamond 12/1/2003
Trinisphere 3/1/2005
Imperial Seal 9/1/2005
Personal Tutor 9/1/2005
Gifts Ungiven 6/1/2007
Brainstorm 6/1/2008
Flash 6/1/2008
Merchant Scroll 6/1/2008
Ponder 6/1/2008
Thirst for Knowledge 7/1/2009

Yeah, this is a bummer. I used to love being able to play once a month or so when in Boston for business, but I also know it's a tremendous effort by Craig to keep something like this going. I proposed starting a small FB group in case anyone ever wanted to try and get together to play on some night, but wasn't able to secure anyone before it phased out. If anyone ever resurrects this, please let me know!

Ironically, I'll be in Boston the same dates as you @Stuart , so if anyone else wants to try and put something together, let me know!

I haven't been following Arena at all, but will MTGO cards port to Arena, or will they run these as two separate products?