This is the best list that I have seen for a Thassa's Oracle strategy.
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Flooded Strand
4 Force of Will
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mental Misstep
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mystic Sanctuary
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Paradigm Shift
4 Polluted Delta
3 Relic of Progenitus
4 Snow-Covered Island
4 Thassa's Oracle
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
4 Underground Sea
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Fatal Push
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Leyline of the Void
1 Mystical Dispute
1 Opposition Agent
2 Ravenous Trap
4 Steel Sabotage
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
@wubbtub I have purchased cards for all of the sets for Vintage since the Pandemic started. I do not think any set review was needed for Vintage.
Vintage has more or less stagnated for several months. The re-release of Lurrus into the format only made Breach slightly better and more or less the format is stale.
Strixhaven is another under powered set mostly for Commander players with a few decent Modern cards. I do not see any need to review this set or the last Zendikar.
Commander Legends had a brief impact and the Eternal Glory podcast covered that very well.
Overall, I'm not sure I care about set reviews anymore for Vintage. I'd like to hear more on theory and interesting scenarios. I'd like to figure out how to shake things up a bit.
Personally, I'd love to have a podcast with @chubbyrain1 and
imactuallylv1 cooking up random brews over looking at the same dumb stale decks and how they get better or worse with more Commander oriented cards in the format.
@thewhitedragon69 Your experience with playing with proxies is very different than mine.
I do play with proxies regularly and I have no issue with my friends using them and I use them so I don't ruin my cards during testing.
My personal issue is the dumb sharpie basic land thing, and I have not met very many people who actually go beyond net decking in the proxy format. Maybe that is a me thing or a local area thing but that is my experience.
I got into the game because I love playing the game. I have not ever really cared about the cost and I have usually spent too much money on cards because I like the game.
If I just wanted a puzzle, I would play video games, which are also very fun.
To be clear, I agree with your points. I play Old School because I love playing with people who are trying to do interesting things with a limited card pool. But I also love Old School because people have to invest to play.
At the same time, I would play proxy Vintage if the group of players were playing to do interesting things, not just print net decks.
@thewhitedragon69 I agree with all of your points. I am trying to figure out if Vintage is already gone for me. I spoke with my wife and I will not be attending any large events this calendar year.
The earliest that I would be able to attend a large-ish event would be Spring of 2022. Would there even be an event for me to attend? Should I just plan on playing at Eternal Weekend and whatever Old School event that I can attend?
Do I travel with my cards now, since it is like carrying around $50,000 - $100,000? Do I just play the least expensive version of a Vintage deck?
Normally, I would loan out cards too. I have a very large collection and I can usually help others play. Do I even do that anymore?
If everything is proxy, why do I even care about the format? I know a lot of players say just use proxies and play. That is great it makes the format playable but it does not encourage the values that I like about Magic. That's a me thing - not an everyone thing.
I have been playing a lot of Modern over the last few years because people actually have decks and show up to play them. Maybe I'm just a local modern player that plays Vintage and Old School webcam games.
I'm not sure how this plays out, I'm just trying to get a feel of what the community thinks here. I am starting to play less and less MTGO and a lot of older players like me just don't play MTGO at all. When there is no paper you will lose us, and that will be the end of paper Vintage.
I read @Prospero post from a few months back and I recall thinking that I just miss paper magic and playing with people in person. Lately, I have been trying to figure out what happens to Vintage when paper magic returns.
The answer is nothing good. No one is really buying into the format, and the prices are crazy. It's hard for Old School players to get cards and decks together.
This is just the reality of where we are today and this has prompted me to ask - what does paper Vintage look like now? I play cards to play with people. MTGO and digital play does not work for me.
I play webcam magic but I want in person card play. If Vintage is only proxy will people show up to play? The number of people playing Vintage on MTGO is going down not up based on number of people in leagues.
Are new players entering the format in digital? Will players play paper using proxies?
I'm just interested in honest thoughts.
I know that Doomsday is the perfect home for Thassa's Oracle. I have been looking at the combination of Thassa's Oracle and Paradigm Shift and I look this combo. I think Vintage is actually in a place where a deck that focuses on this combo is playable.
My issue is that I don't want to play it on MTGO, mostly because Hullbreacher is stupid expensive. I am working on a paper list and I wanted to see if there were any thoughts on making this deck work in Vintage.
The merfolk decks in Legacy are using this combo and those decks are doing ok-ish, but I think the power level is good enough for Vintage in an Esper shell. I'll post a list once I get something working.
My understanding here is that Timetwister is legal in Commander. Also, Vintage no longer drives the prices of power. The price of power is really driven by Old School. A lot of Vintage is primarily online now and paper is really just for collectors and old school players.
I did not see a link here for this, so I am adding it
SMIP is back with the 100th episode.
@protoaddict I had this exact conversation with my wife all of the time. She learned how much my collection was worth when we did our estate planning for our kids and asked me why I don't just sell it off. I asked her the question, and do what. This is my hobby and I make more than enough money to support my family and keep my cards. It makes me happy and I already spent the money. If I needed the money then I would need to reconsider but it makes me happy to have my cards.
I bought into MTGO in January of 2018, before the loan programs. I see now that Wizards is doing a buy an event token and get all of the cards. If this is their new norm then I do not see a reason in having MTGO cards anymore. Is this the time to sell out of MTGO?
The sentiment in the post is something that has been with me for a very longtime. I got into Magic back in 1995 and I was able to get the staples of the format at a much lower cost. I was also in a position to keep my collection as my income and debt has always moved in the right direction.
Magic is part of my identity at this point. Being a Vintage player is a huge part of that identity. I want more players in the format and I am OK with Wizards reprinting any and everything at this point as long as the new versions have the new boards and new art.
I wrote some time ago that Vintage is essentially a digital format now, and I HATE that with a passion. Having a digital option allows for more games to be played but has the effect of limiting strategies that perform well on the digital client.
The digital version of the game is not free either and maintaining a paper collection and a digital collection is very expensive.
With all of that said and the various options, I'm not sure Vintage has a large audience of players that want to play the format. It is bigger than what we currently have but Magic has a bigger problem right now.
We could ban every card on the reserve list and that new format would be playable and different from Legacy but has the 2019/2020 problem. The new cards that have been printed have made the game different and invalidated a lot of working theories. I'm not sure this a bad thing but it is driving older players away from the game.
I hope there is some solution to reprints at some point, the people who have old cards will have no one to play with if they don't do something and that makes me sad.
I have not played a lot of Vintage due to the lock downs with the pandemic mostly because I am a paper player. I do have a MTGO account and I tried to play but the companion bans and errata really left me cold.
When I saw that there would be an Eternal Weekend event on MTGO I was very skeptical. I am not a fan of MTGO to put it lightly and I did not want to buy or rent a bunch of cards to play competitively. I had a pretty rough week at work and I was really looking for a fun outlet so I read the Eternal Weekend details and I saw that you were given a "god" account when you bought a ticket.
So, I decided to give it a go. I had a lot of fun and I have some thoughts on why this weekend was fun when I normally do not enjoy MTGO very much.
There were a lot of people playing a lot of decks!
That's it, that's the big revelation. I did not have to play leagues to learn a deck or figure out the meta. I could just play pick up games and there were people playing at all levels and all kinds of decks. It was a blast.
I do kind of keep up my MTGO account and I login and play from time to time but I do not play enough to want a rental account and I do not get the most expensive cards except for a few odd exceptions.
Being able to focus on the a deck and just prepare was awesome.
Now the downside, it's actually not MTGO. But it is the fact that I could not leave my house and play. I have 3 kids. I cannot really escape them in my house and my wife will only tolerate me being away in another room for so long. This is a me problem but it is a prime driver to why I enjoy paper magic.
I get to leave, I go somewhere and I usually see people I know or make new friends.
It's a negative but overall, this weekend was a huge positive. I wish Wizards would do something like this more often, maybe quarterly. It is a great way to get a crowd of people playing Vintage. It is overall just good for Vintage.