Wow. Another taxer. Hatebears is getting some good stuff.

@ambivalentduck

I've been playing this. It can use some tuning but it seems fun.

// Vintage Goblins Aggro

// 60 Maindeck
// 5 Artifact
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
3 Null Rod

// 32 Creature
3 Earwig Squad
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
3 Goblin Ringleader
1 Stingscourger
3 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Goblin Chainwhirler
4 Warren Instigator
3 Goblin Warchief
1 Goblin Chieftain
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
1 Goblin Trashmaster
2 Goblin Cratermaker
1 Gempalm Incinerator

// 3 Instant
3 Mental Misstep

// 20 Land
4 Cavern of Souls
5 Mountain
2 Badlands
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

// 15 Sideboard
// 6 Artifact
SB: 4 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt

// 5 Creature
SB: 1 Goblin Chainwhirler
SB: 1 Sulfur Elemental
SB: 2 Goblin Cratermaker
SB: 1 Goblin Trashmaster

// 4 Enchantment
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void

It's a Lackey/Instigator based build that tries to cheat stuff into play. Not sure about the right configurations but having 8 enabler seem good. The new Legion Warboss and Rabblemaster also seem like theyd be good pay-off spells. Maybe even Piledriver.

Goblin Chainwhirler looks kind of spicy. Hits the jeskai decks pretty hard as it kills everything except for mentor. Can also hit hangerback walker tokens, phyrexian revokers, etc.

Time to revisit the good ole little green boys?

For the record, here is a rough draft of where i'm starting my testing at:

// Vintage Goblins Aggro

// 60 Maindeck
// 4 Artifact
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
2 Null Rod

// 37 Creature
3 Earwig Squad
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Stingscourger
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Siege-Gang Commander
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Goblin Chainwhirler
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Tuktuk Scrapper
3 Warren Instigator
3 Goblin Warchief
1 Goblin Chieftain
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
1 Goblin Welder
3 Gempalm Incinerator

// 19 Land
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Mountain
2 Badlands
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

// 15 Sideboard
// 4 Artifact
SB: 4 Grafdigger's Cage

// 5 Creature
SB: 1 Goblin Welder
SB: 2 Goblin Chainwhirler
SB: 2 Tuktuk Scrapper

// 4 Enchantment
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void

// 2 Instant
SB: 2 Pyrokinesis

Biggest thoughts:

1. Is Simian Spirit Guide better or Mox/Crypt/Chrome Mox better. They all have their pros and cons. SSG gets around thorns and provides red, but is a one-shot use. Off-color moxen stays around, but they're off color. Chrome Mox is perma source of red, but costs an extra card. Decisions decisions....atm i'm leaning towards SSG since our deck is so red-intensive.

2. I have no idea if my creature count/toolbox is correct, it's just a bunch of stuff I wanted to play with the idea that Matron can tutor for them. Oh well.

@defector null rod doesn’t affect the new Karn planeswalker.

How do y’all feel about tanglewire? I’ve always been fond of the card but because of how aggressive ravager MUD is along with how fast PO decks are, I feel like I’m better off dropping the tanglewires for either more null rod, ensnaring bridge, or damping Sphere.

@griselbrother I guess my main issue is I have a problem with spirit sticking. It always gets countered and If I use caverns, it always gets abraded or STPed. I think I just need to re-evaluate my sequencing and use something like Thalia 2.0 or another critter as bait more. I run the odd choice of wanting to land spirit as early as I can to shut down card draw but save it for when they use removal for other stuff.

@griselbrother it was you Thank you for the response. I've been jamming some games with your list recently. I've found that Relic Warder is really good against Shops where as Spirit isn't as good against the blue decks as warder is against shops. I think that it's because Thalia already taxes them so hard. Maybe i've been playing the deck wrong though. Anyways, I think I would start by making Relic Warder a 4-of and start shaving on some Spirit of the Labys.

@revengeanceful said in White Eldrazi:

@naixin If you're picking one, I think White Eldrazi would give you substantially better odds of winning matches than the deck you posted. It's more explosive and the overall card quality is higher. I would think there would be a lot of games with that white deck where you draw the wrong hate creature at the wrong time and just get run over.

Fair enough. Would you have a white eldrazi list you recommend I start with?

If i wanted to switch over from shops, would you recommend white eldrazi or white trash? I think white eldrazi has put up more results but there’s a version of white trash I’ve seen floating around that I really like.

Deck: Vintage White Trash.dec

Counts : 60 main / 15 sideboard

Creatures:28
3 Containment Priest
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Sanctum Prelate
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Palace Jailer

Artifacts:9
1 Black Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Null Rod

Enchantments:2
2 Stony Silence

Lands:21
3 Ancient Tomb
3 Cavern of Souls
2 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Karakas
7 Plains
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland

Sideboard:15
1 Aegis of the Gods
2 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Gisela, the Broken Blade
1 Baneslayer Angel
2 Pithing Needle
4 Mental Misstep
4 Swords to Plowshares

Any thoughts? I know TKS is insane but I’ve always felt like palace jailer is also quite strong.

@smmenen it just makes so much sense. Fastbond would open up new archetypes and it wouldn’t be overwhelming. 4x probe isn’t nearly as abusive without 4x mentor. Perfect information is bleh, but it’s not like storm will dominate (if anything, it’s underperforming atm). Ravager is a good ban because it homogenizes shops too much. Without it, I can see Stax making a comeback.