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@thecravenone said in 5C Staxx 2019:

@john-cox said in 5C Staxx 2019:

So whats the reason for the one crop rotation? Just one seems weird. 🤔

To be quite honest, it's been in the list since I copied it from somewhere a decade ago. I've never felt a need to remove it (in fact, as I say in the cast, I have 2 slots that are kinda filler in the 2018 list). I've also never felt any need to have more.

It does allow some sweet lines. My favorite thing I've done with Crop Rotation is sac a turn 1 Workshop to get another turn 1 Workshop, casting multiple hate pieces or a Wurmcoil.

@dr-j said in 5C Staxx 2019:

@john-cox said in 5C Staxx 2019:

So whats the reason for the one crop rotation? Just one seems weird. 🤔

Yeah, since you're not running Null Rod main, Expedition Map seems like the better choice.

I love 5c Stax and would love to see it come back, but running so many Karn, TGC seems iffy with that mana base. Running a few Maps to search for Academy would definitely help.

Map is certainly an interesting idea. I'll mull it over!

Do you do a quick ritual scarring when the Crop Rotation gets Misstepped and you Sinkhole yourself?

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Daretti, Welder and this make for a pretty nice engine. Entomb hasn't resolved in Vintage like 10 years so this will be interesting.

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Came for the formatting stayed for the Chromatic Lantern. Ridin' dirty.

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@thecravenone said in London Mulligan Coming to MTGO:

A week before the only Legacy GP of the year, they're going to configure MTGO to play by a different set of rules than real magic. Fucking awesome.

Well at least paper magic and MTGO don't share a B&R list since they are so different.

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If only it made Tin Street Hooligans with Shatters attached.

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@fsecco said in [WAR] Karn the great creator:

@protoaddict I don't get why every card needs to be a "format shaper" though. Is anyone even arguing that? It's a good card that makes Null Rod playable in decks that couldn't play it and, by chance, also have a bunch of mana to actually be able to play this (Stax and PO). That's it. Karn from DOM also didn't "shape" the format but got where it needed. That's it, and only it.
It's not that it needs to be "better" than other cards, just needs to serve a role other cards can't serve, and this does exactly that. Dovin's Veto is also a card that won't be played in PO at all, since it's shitty at protecting your spells and PO is way more worried about that than controlling the game.

Exactly. It's another asymmetric "Look I got it first LOL K" for PO. Having a win condition attached to a non-Hurkyl's Null Rod is just gravy.

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Post board you aren't necessarily all-in for 1 and only 1 card, which is the only situation to play Serum Powder. Post board in a mirror you might consider a hand with either Bazaar or LotV a sneep and thus you would keep powder in.

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@brianpk80 said in Quality of Experience - An Alternate Take on B&R:

Hi everyone,

-Brian Kelly

Well thought out article and I agree with much of your diagnosis. I don't agree with all of your prescriptions but I'm not off by much. The best thing that can happen for Vintage at this point is to create a Vintage B&R for however many more years MTGO lasts and a Type 1 B&R for paper.

Also, always, always restrict Misstep in all formats.

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@wfain said in Phoenix Brew:

Deep Analysis seems too good not to play, right?

and Collective Brutality

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@vaughnbros said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds

That stops both Misstep and Force of Will (at a mana disadvantage). I still don't understand your point.

Because the Red Blast could actually f'ing resolve without your opponent laughing and chucking a skillstep in their graveyard. And that deck with the blasts wouldn't have to pack 3.8 missteps to misstep the misstep. How hard is this honestly?

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@vaughnbros said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds

If your opponent can stop you on turn 0, its a pretty big thing for any turn 1 combo deck. 2-card monte plays Helm + Leyline, which is completely immune to misstep. It definitely has a number of hands that care far more about Force of Will, and that is the more limiting card for the deck.

Yeah if only those decks had Red Blasts. Oh wait ...

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@john-cox said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@john-cox said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds FWIW I have a lot of turn one kill decks I can't play because they auto loose to Force of will.

Sure but "turn one kill decks" is a strategy, not a card.

I'm not playing Goblin Charbelcher because of force of will. I think Two Card monte would get really good without Force of will too, so theres Helm of Obedience and Painter's Servant/Grindstone I'm not playing because of Force of will.
I know people play these decks, but the metas are light on blue and the decks get a lot better without FoW in the pool.

Well we can agree to disagree. Force of Wills cost is pretty immense both at design time and run time. If I'm playing 2Card and my opponent is Mind Rotting themselves I'm likely to win. Now if I get Trapped ... that's a feel bad, or my Grindstone gets Misstepped those are miserable transactions where I spent mana and 1 card and my opponent spent no mana and 1 card.

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@craw_advantage said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@craw_advantage said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta

Let me know when you choose not to include a card in a new deck (without your own 3.8 Missteps) because it gets countered by Force of Will.

I think this effect has been somewhat overstated. Most decklists I see still tend to favor 1cmc spells over 2cmc alternatives, even when the latter exists as a stronger version of the effect.

And those decklists all play Misstep. Even Dredge. Outcome with Preordain is maybe the lone exception among the 4 decks that get played in Vintage.

Decks play Misstep if it fits into their gameplan because it's a powerful card. Protecting your own spells is nice, but you'd rather use it to counter something your opponent plays, right? If Misstep were really fundamentally distorting the value of 1cmc versus 2cmc spells, I think people would choose to play superior un-Missteppable versions of cards and thus preserve their Missteps in hand and pull way ahead in the Misstep wars.

Decks play Misstep because it's 0 or +1 mana and you need it to Misstep Missteps as well as other efficient spells. If it were really to counter other spells it would probably get played more in Shops (though multiple Spheres pose an issue with casting it off Shop).

It's gotten a little bit better I guess, I mean a couple of years ago Misstep was +1 mana and +1 token. Misstep as a 0 mana / +1 mana investment against casting a Deathrite Shaman or a Thoughtseize is such a complete tempo and mana investment beating that if you choose to include the latter two cards in your deck you are compelled to either play your own 3.8 Missteps or choose to just get destroyed by every non PO, non Shop deck.

Some people don't mind and just stuff every deck they make with them, they don't mind the 'i haz more' play pattern either. I think it's a miserable card at design time and at run time.

There's also the cascading effects of Misstep like making Redpyroblast unplayable without it. There could be competitive decks with red that could actually resolve the card Pyroblast against opposing blue decks without watering down their 75 with their own 3.8 Missteps.

Cards like Mystic Remora, DRS, Hierarch, and 100 other creatures.

Then there's the game one effect vs. sphere decks where the 3.8misstep.dec player keeps a 2 misstep hand just has a non-game.

I know some players have only begun playing on the last 4-5 years but there was actually a time when Misstep Incest (tm) hadn't taken ahold yet. It was before delve, dack, tokens ruined Vintage forever.

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=6153

483 players. Basically the biggest paper sanctioned Vintage event ever (?). Top 8 has 2 Missteps in a sideboard. But once decks begin to play it in large numbers maindeck, then you are forced to also play it or skip 1 because nothing beats free.

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@john-cox said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds FWIW I have a lot of turn one kill decks I can't play because they auto loose to Force of will.

Sure but "turn one kill decks" is a strategy, not a card.

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@craw_advantage said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta

Let me know when you choose not to include a card in a new deck (without your own 3.8 Missteps) because it gets countered by Force of Will.

I think this effect has been somewhat overstated. Most decklists I see still tend to favor 1cmc spells over 2cmc alternatives, even when the latter exists as a stronger version of the effect.

And those decklists all play Misstep. Even Dredge. Outcome with Preordain is maybe the lone exception among the 4 decks that get played in Vintage.

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@garbageaggro said in How to beat Xerox with UW Outcome:

Consider mystic remora, that card does work in any blue matchup especially as the combo player. Turning all their counters into pseudo arcane denials has to put you ahead in the long run.

If you want to get your game 1 win % vs Misstep/Xerox with outcome just play 4 Grids. They are non-Missteppable Remoras. You'll lose some% vs. shops obviously.

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@vaughnbros said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@chubbyrain

Time to restrict Force of Will. How long must we sit under the oppression of this card? Too long have we had to live in constant fear that no matter what my opponent is playing they can suddenly announce Force + Blue card to deny anyone of my spells.

Let me know when you choose not to include a card in a new deck (without your own 3.8 Missteps) because it gets countered by Force of Will. Or when you hear a set review riddled with a constant drone of "well this is an interesting card but it does get Force of Willed".

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@chubbyrain said in Is anyone enjoying this new meta?:

@nedleeds

You mean there are two decks: Force of Will decks and Sphere decks.

Edit:
Did the count: 31 out of 32 decks have 4 Forces or 4 Spheres. This is a more complete taxonomy but you don’t use it. Why not? Restricting Force would reduce the deck building burden of including 20+ Blue cards, which is a more significant constraint for “Blue stew”than 3 missteps. I guess you understand that limiting interaction in a broken format is a bad idea. War tournaments aren’t exactly popular.

Instead of railing against the card, you should look at ways of using it to break from the Bazaar, Shops, Force triumvirate that has dominated vintage. Or don’t. Keep arguing that my cindervines jund list is the same as pitch dredge and rug pyromancer because they run 4 missteps. I’m sure the DCI will get a good chuckle at that.

Lol, build a fucking Jund deck without Mental Misstep then we'll talk.

Edit: and I don't include Force of Will because nobody ever discards a card from inclusion in a deck during deck building because it gets countered by Force of Will. The scrap heap of decks could have been is littered with shit that gets Misstepped because the deck had no more room after cramming 3.8 of the stupid POS in every non-sphere, non-PO (defense grid) deck in the format.

I've said that a million times. In my opinion Mental Missteps misery starts in the deck building process and continues in the play pattern of whoops I had more.

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@moorebrother1 said in Is Vintage a digital format now?:

@nedleeds I see myself playing Vintage on paper until I am too old to shuffle. I wrote this post because I think paper needs to evolve. Proxies offer a way to introduce players to the game as does MTGO.

If the game is going to evolve then players without power can reimagine the format and play every card in MTG on their terms. If we only measure Vintage using MTGO then that won't happen and the incentive to innovate is shutdown.

I don't disagree, I'm saying the two are different for many, many reasons. It's almost impossible to disentangle the possible reasons why - yet the 2 share a B&R list. It's a problem.