@fsecco

Future sight is actually nutso. Both it and Magus of the Future have seen play. I think they're both just a hair too vulnerable and unwieldy to be unbeatable and widely played (for example, I'm 99% that Future Sight in play is better than Teferi in play, but one is easier to cast and a lot less clunky.)

@khahan

Not that this is what you'd want to do if we had unrestrictions, but if you had unrestricted Gush and Probe, you'd be pretty close to "Draw your deck" if you resolved this.

@wfain I actually like this build a lot. Thalia has always felt like a necessary evil where you'd go on the Thalia plan, then draw Survival and want to shoot yourself--but she's also been a good plan C, after Bazaar and Survival. The one thing I'd worry here is that you're even more dependent on Bazaar/Survival than usual. Our Orcish Lumberjack/Tarmogoyf/Ingot Chewer plan isn't grinding anyone into submission in the way Thalia could.

Hey, hey, Stoneforge has put up results! Just...only ever in mine and like one other person's hands, and then as a very particular metagame call. And it was kind of a stock Jeskai list at the end of the day with a different threat suite.

But @BlindTherapy has a point. It's probably right to dismiss out of hand 99% of ideas. I will respect your deck if you can put together a couple of 5-0s or wins in local events. Up until that point, your deck is a novelty which doesn't have staying power. It takes someone putting in the work on a good idea to begin with (this is the hard part, finding a good idea) to get a deck to being decent. Even an almost good idea can suck in the end--e.g. Time Spiral combo, which ends up as a Paradoxical deck.

@moorebrother1 Survival is the opposite of a Budget deck. Start with "I'm building the best version, cards don't matter", and you'll actually end up with a good deck more often.

I would humbly submit that Flayer of the Hatebound does this job better than this card.

@blindtherapy Seems almost strictly better than Sunny T, is a black card, and can be cast at least some of the time. Seems like a snap add 4x for Fatestitcher Dredge, and maybe not as much for other builds.

@vaughnbros said in [GOR] Assassin's Trophy:

Again, I don't think the comparison to decay makes a lot of sense. Decay is being played for its uncounterability. There are a substantial number of targets that this hits that Decay doesn't:

I think it makes a ton of sense--the things you're targetting are going to be the same some medium percentage of the time, and comparing "broadly usable removal for BG" spells seems right.

That said, I think your analysis is broadly correct--you want this card if you intend to target Leyline of the Void (this is the most broad, castable anti-hate card to ever exist), or if it's going to be Sinkhole some reasonable percentage of the time for you (and Sinkhole is an effect you want). Otherwise, Abrupt Decay having the words "Can't be countered" is probably better than the bonus set targets you get.

@spook I agree that the "destroys Bazaar" part of the deck is relevant. That said...it's not good enough on the draw against Bazaar (the 2nd Activation usually means they're dread returning, or that you can be slow-dredged to death).

I'm not arguing that this card is bad, it's that I think it's Abrupt Decay+, or Abrupt Decay-, which is good but not ultra exciting.

@wfain How often is this better than Abrupt Decay?

I keep going lower on this card every time I think of that question. It's clearly at the right power level, but I think "can't be countered" is a more relevant line of text than we're giving it credit for.

@blindtherapy Sure, I'm aware of the combo--but it seems slow and clunky. It works if we have (1) Cast Survival, (2) Survival'd for a turn and (3) once we've done that, cast Retainers and activated it. In our Bazaar deck, that seems hard to achieve, and we'd rather just Vengevine them. I think back when Legacy Survival was a thing, people quickly moved away from Retainers/Other Toolboxy plays to just killing them via Vengevines (and the combo of choice was Necrotic Ooze combo, which ignored a lot of graveyard hate.) Come to think of it, Necrotic Ooze combo seems like a decent way to use Survival and dodge all the Containment Priest/Grafdigger's Cage thrown at you entirely.

@wfain You could for sure play something like UBG--that gives us Deathrite and Bob as a go long plan, and lets us Bazaar pretty aggressively, with Thoughtsieze/Cabal Therapy as disruptive Elements.

One potential--and psycho idea--is to cut down on Bazaars, and play RUG with Dack Fayden as a bonus discard outlet. This lets us play a longer game, but I don't think it's too far out of the question. I think you'd have too few creatures to actually do anything, and you'd be too unstable, but might be worth the effort, since you can shoe-horn in cards like Force with relative ease in that sort of shell.