@Megustalabanana First of all you are being extremely rude, and if I knew how I would report you. Second of all I think you are overlooking something extremely important to this discussion, and that is that you cannot have both PO and MD unrestricted at the same time, period. They are both storm cards, one with less potential but less set-up and the other with more potential but more set-up. When you combine the two you have a PO with no set-up chaining into a MD with no set-up either, probably making it the most busted card ever. Even if you do not hit a MD you will likely hit another PO, and then you can probably hit a MD. At his point even with only three artifacts, and assuming you have drawn no more from PO (likely statistically impossible) then your storm is already at least 8 and you have drawn at least 6 cards. I am not saying you are right or wrong, and I do not know enough to have an opinion on whether or not PO and/or MD should be unrestricted or restricted but I will say this:

1. Be respectful or no one will listen to you or take you seriously.
2. Think carefully about the consequences of each unrestriction and restriction before calling for them.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/vintage-101-lucy-in-the-sky-with-moxen

We had 9 awesome players show up today to duke it out. It was 5 rounds of swiss + top 4.
Top 4:

# 1st Azorius Landstill
## Mark Arce 3-1-1 in Swiss ($75+Playmat+Bye)
Land (21):
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
4 Tundra
1 Library of Alexandria
3 Mishra's Factory
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
1 Plains
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine

Creature (3):
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

Instant (21):
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Dig Through Time
2 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
4 Mental Misstep
2 Mindbreak Trap
3 Swords to Plowshares

Sorcery (3):
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Supreme Verdict

Artifact (3):
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl

Enchantment (5):
1 Stony Silence
4 Standstill

Planeswalker (4)
1 Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Sideboard (15):
1 Moat
1 Arcane Laboratory
2 Containment Priest
2 Disenchant
2 Energy Flux
1 Flusterstorm
1 Hurkyll's Recall
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Peacekeeper
2 Rest in Peace
1 Stony Silence

# 2nd Azorius Eldrazi and Taxes
## Alex Kibner 3-1-1 in Swiss ($75)

Land (22):
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Karakas
1 Tundra
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
4 Adarkar Wastes

Creature (24):
2 Containment Priest
2 Lavinia, Azorius Renegade
3 Eldrazi Displacer
1 Glowrider
1 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar

Artifact (12):
1 Sol Ring
1 Trinisphere
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Black Lotus
1 Null Rod
1  Mana Crypt
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Thorn of Amethyst

Sideboard (15):
2 Containment Priest
2 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Energy Flux
2 Null Rod
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
1 Serenity

# 3rd/4th Pitch Dredge
## George (@Chronatog ) 3-0-2 in Swiss ($50 or $65)
Land (4):
4 Bazaar of Bagdad

Creature (28):
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Ichorid
4 Hollow One
4 Golgari Thug
4 Narcomoeba
2 Prized Amalgam
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

Instant (10):
4 Mental Misstep
4 Force of Will
2 Mindbreak Trap

Sorcery (10):
2 Dread Return
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Unmask

Artifact (4):
4 Serum Powder

Enchantment (4):
4 Bridge From Below

Sideboard (15):
4 Chain of Vapor
4 Mana Confluence
2 City of Brass
4 Nature's Claim
1 Chalice of the Void

# 3rd/4th Esper PO Storm
## Andrew Calderon 3-0-2 in Swiss ($50 or $65)
Land (13):
2 Flooded Strand
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Karakas
1 Polluted Delta
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Island

Creature (2):
1 Monastery Mentor
1 Snapcaster Mage

Instant (16):
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Dig Through Time
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Paradoxical Outcome
2 Repeal

Sorcery (13):
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind's Desire
2 Night's Whisper
1 Ponder
3 Preordain
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Artifact (16):
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
4 Mox Opal
1 Sol Ring

Sideboard (15):
1 Defense Grid
2 Flusterstorm
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Island
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2 Karn, Scion of Urza
1 Mystic Remora
4 Tormod's Crypt

# 5th Pitch Dredge
## Me (@Rat3dE) 3-2 in Swiss (A Broken Heart)
Land (4):
4 Bazaar of Bagdad

Creature (27):
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
3 Ichorid
4 Hollow One
2 Golgari Thug
4 Narcomoeba
4 Prized Amalgam
1 Dragonlord Kolaghan
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

Instant (11):
4 Mental Misstep
4 Force of Will
3 Mindbreak Trap

Sorcery (10):
2 Dread Return
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Unmask

Artifact (4):
4 Serum Powder

Enchantment (4):
4 Bridge From Below

Sideboard (15):
4 Mana Confluence
2 City of Brass
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Noxious Revival
4 Nature's Claim
1 Spinning Darkness

I had a lot of fun today, and I am sure others did to. We had some very powerful wizards come out to play today including the indomitable Cyrus Corman - Gill (@CyrusCG ), and the handsome Matt Sperling. As some of you may have noticed Alex Kibner's decklist does not have 60 cards in it and that is due to him making some decklist errors and I do not know the correct decklist. I can post pictures of all decklist if wanted but I already stayed up late enough doing this, so I will consider it tomorrow.

Below is the metagame breakdown:
2 Pitch Dredge (22%)

• My list

• Top 4 list

1 Ravager Shops (11%)
1 Azorius Eldrazi and Taxes (11%)
1 Jeskai Xerox (11%)
1 Esper PO Storm (11%)
1 Bant Sylvan PO (11%)
1 Sultai Midrange (11%)
1 Azorius Landstill (11%)

Hope we can have some more people come out next time! If you have any questions or I made a mistake let me know.

I would love to see more streams that are not just Paradoxical Outcome. I think that it is great that it is getting so much attention but as a viewer when all the streamers I watch are playing PO it can get boring.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/vintage-101-guilds-guilds

I just wanted to share this here. I think it is great that we are getting more vintage content, and I am glad to have Vintage 101 back. Thank you @volrathxp.

On Sunday, April 14th, Eudo will be hosting an EW Trial where you can win a bye to EW!
On-site registration opens at 11 AM.
Registration at the door will be $30, save time and money by preregistering online.
Sanctioned -- No proxies allowed.
Competitive REL -- A decklist is required.
Swiss rounds with cut to Top 8.
100% prize payout in store credit.

http://www.eudogames.com/ewtapril/

Hi, I am a kid in HS from the Bay Area who has been lurking here for awhile, and who loves vintage. I watch streams of people like the Atog Lord play on MTGO, the NA Vintage Championship and the Asian Vintage Championship (I just wanted to watch Survival).One thing that saddens me about vintage is that I may never be able to play paper vintage because of the enormous price that vintage decks carry. I was wondering if anybody on this forum plays at my LGS, Eudemonia in Berkeley. I know that they hold monthly vintage tournaments with 15 proxies allowed, and I was wondering if they could tell me if it is worth it to try to be a part of the paper scene in Berkeley. I have never really owned many mtg cards, as I am still quite young, but I am looking into maybe buying into some form of Miracles at the moment in Legacy, which I hope could help me kickstart my playing skill, and card collection so that one day I might be able to participate in a sanctioned vintage tournament. Please let me know what you guys think.

@Smmenen This is really cool. Thank you. This is a beautiful way of showing how restrictions and bannings tend to fix a format for awhile, before it is "solved" again and they have to ban something else. I think in the next few months, once RNA is released we will see if Vintage is really in a sweet spot or if it is just waiting to be solved. Another thing I am interested in is how the new player in the format, Survival will impact people's ability to "solve" the format, and if the MOCS and potential for Pro Tour will bring new grinders and players who will either help accelerate format diversification by bringing other cool new decks in, or may "solve" it once again, potentially leading to yet more restriction.

One week from yesterday, I hope to see a good amount of people!

@moorebrother1 I think that Vintage is not primarily a digital format. Yesterday in Berkeley we had multiple big names come out for Vintage for a grand total of 19 people! For us it was a lot, and I think there was and will continue to be a lot of enthusiasm and interest in the Vintage format in paper for as long as possible. While I agree that MTGO and paper Vintage have different meta's I think that people play what they want on both platforms. I think that the divergence in meta is a product of the target audience and primary users rather than a lack of innovation or whatnot.

@Chronatog It is because the deck has such a terrible Dredge matchup that you need Tabernacle to try to even come close to winning from my understanding.

Not to mention the fact that it is just not a good creature for Shops decks...

Come join us for our second Vintage event of the month!

Location: Eudemonia at 2154 University Ave Berkeley, CA 94704

Entry Fee: $25

Date: Sunday, March 29th, 2020

Format: Vintage

Registration: Register online now at the link below or register on site starting at 11:00 AM the day of. Event starts at 12:00 PM

Payout: 100% prize payout in store credit

Event: 3-4 Swiss rounds, with cut to Top 4 or 8, based on attendance

Info: No decklist required, rules regarding proxies are very relaxed. If you need to borrow cards then message me and I will try to get someone to bring them.

Link to event here!

Well I have seen turnouts nearing 20 people, so hopefully we get something like that this time!

Link to the event here!

Registration opens at 11:00 AM that day.

This is a FULL PROXY event, Eudo does not run many of these please turn up so that they will continue.

3-4 Rounds of Swiss-based on turnout.

Help support your local Vintage scene, there are a lot of awesome and very talented people that come to these events so I would definitely recommend it.

Great article written by Brian DeMars, long time Vintage player and lover, features other big names in the Vintage community along with some thoughts from people on Twitter.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-restrictions-are-just-a-first-step-toward-fixing-vintage/

Just wanted to make sure that this article got some attention, it is written by Nico Bohny, a great Vintage player and streamer who goes by shir kahn on MODO and streams on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/busterbohny.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-state-of-vintage-before-and-after-the-restrictions/

@Stuart You definitly want to fit some Arcanist in there. The card is insanely strong and can create massive CA over just one or two turns while being super flexible due to the fact that it can vastly increase your clock with Bolts. I think you may also want some of the Plows MD and probably some more MD artifact hate but I am no expert.

@BlindTherapy My point with winning G1 against Priest was more that it was possible whereas with most lists it would not be.

bloodghast most of the time, and the card is amazing, like a narcomoeba you can use turn after turn.

When you put it that way it actually makes it sound much better than I initially thought.

Hardcasting pharoah sounds harder than hardcasting Troll, given the color requirments, and troll is bigger.

It was because I was low on cards in library and I happened to draw a Pharaoh, also black is easier to get than green because of Dakmore.

I'm interested to hear that pharoah has been good for you; what has it been good against?

Against things like Eldrazi it can really slow them down as it essential comes down to a topdeck war of can they draw 20 power worth of castable creatures before you find your anti-hate.

Chill dodges priest and cage, falling victim to everything else. Dredge doesn't generally need much help beating priest and cage in my opinion, as the yard is still there once you remove the hate.

While in general I would agree I think it is a bit more complex than that as the games where they have the resources to maintain their GY nearly continuously it allows you to take advantage of weak points or mistakes much more effectively and efficiently since they are already at a lower life. In the Hogaak version I would imagine this is even more amplified by the inclusion of HO, Bloodghast and Hogaak as these all become much better at crossing the finish life as a one to four turn clock then a three to ten turn clock.

@Brass-Man @ChubbyRain I could be a little bit crazy but I feel like Wren makes a Naya Orcish Lumberjack + Knight of the Reliquary deck. Obviously Knight is really good and becomes better when you can reuse the lands you sacrificed to tutor up more or just reuse them for other purposes and Lumberjack helps you push ahead on mana in a deck that probably would want to not play many mana accelerators which is nice while not necessarily hurting you long term because of Wren. I know Chubby has played a few GWx Knight of the Reliquary decks so maybe he could brew something up with Wren and Knight?