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Well I have seen turnouts nearing 20 people, so hopefully we get something like that this time!

@ajfirecracker I thought your post was related to similar posts in the other thread because of similar numbers and content. My point is limited to that then. Sorry.

Unfortunately, there isn't a good site for the Vintage metagame. The MTGTop8 database is similar to Goldfish in that they include the curated MTGO League lists. These are selected to present a more diverse metagame by excluding other decks within 10 cards or something like that. MTGOTop8 is actually a bit weird in that it only includes the first 8 lists posted in on the MTGO page. Yeah, pretty funny that 8 of the 46 Legacy League decks are posted (grumble, my Kaya Reclamation deck...). This past week had 13 lists but it was slightly larger due to the mix of formats.

TLDR: Brian should not have used the MTGOTop8 data. It will tend to depress the most popular decks and elevate the least popular decks because of the inclusion of skewed MTGO League data. It also omits part of this data.

Nico, what are your thoughts on Abrupt Decay vs. Assassin Trophy post restrictions? I've tried all in on both, and both have their own restrictions. I'm leaning toward all in on Assassin Trophy because the uncounterable aspect of Decay doesn't seem to matter as much as being able to hit anything.

Additionally, Misdirection(s) to replace some number of Mental Misstep. I've been running 2 MisD and it's been great but I could imagine a situation, against Lavinia, that it would suck.

I scaled back on Tarmogoyf because the vanilla creature doesn't do as much in a combo meta. Some number is still useful as a roadblocks against Workshops and that sort of thing and a valuable green card to pitch to Force of Vigor. To replace some I've gone to maindeck Thoughtseizes, a very strong magic card against combo. Plague Engineer also seems a sideboard staple while people are playing elemental decks.

Personally I'm not a fan of the 3x GSZ builds that you have been playing. Would you continue to try and jam that? I'm not sure if it was actually ever good to begin with.

Nice read. I noticed though for your jeskai, the only white is mentor and swords, that's it. Since you are worried about the effects of wasteland, could you -1 tundra, +1 island for a more stable mana base? But having 2 un-wasteable (is that even a word outside of magic) islands you can fetch up lets you cycle thru your narets easier. With the number of fetches you run, you can wait to bring out the tundra until you are ready to use it.

Blue Karn, Formerly Outcome shells, and other artifact heavy blue decks have been running him. Just getting overshadowed right now by stuff like Karn and Pitch Dredge.

@nba84

Necropotence isn't affected by being destroyed. Destroying a Necropotence actually benefits the opponent because then they do not skip the draw step.

But otherwise, I agree that Force of Vigor is better than Force of Will as long as there are artifacts/enchantments to destroy. (Which will be the case as long as Workshop is unrestricted)

The enchantment side of it indeed prevents other decks from coming up. It probably isn't a design mistake though since they don't design cards for Vintage.

@desolutionist Yes, as @rbartlet said their is Vintage this month. Tou can always check the Eudo calendar to see when it is scheduled up to one month ahead (normally the schedule is made on a month to month basis). Vintage is normally on the third Sunday of the month at 12 or 1.

Details here for this month: http://eudogames.com/june-vintage/

Just wanted to let everybody know that I have updated the original post with pictures of all the updates linked to the appropriate archetype. Enjoy!

@mountain-goat said in WAR-Planeswalker Card Discussion:

Teferi seems nuts, though maybe the +1 ability is too situational?

It's not, I guess. Being able to leave mana open for Fluster and Preordain eot if nothing happens seems pretty cool. Same with Tinker or Time Walk or Treasure Cruise - but yeah, it's not useful 100% of the turns like Dack's +1 is.

Thing is your eot Tinker will be uncounterable and the Blightsteel you get will be unbounceable (since they can't play bounce spells as instants anymore).

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Thanks @Rat3dE. I'm actually unsure about Arcanist in this brave new world. On the one hand, it's a powerful card and its targets are more likely the resolve without Misstep being around. On the other hand, we no longer have Misstep to protect it, so there's a greater chance of Arcanist just dying without generating any value (unlike all the other creatures in this deck, which can do something no matter what).

Edit: that said, you're the 3rd person to tell me to play Arcanist, so maybe I should just do it.

@QuirionRanger I am also relatively new, and so far I loved the people there! If you are looking to just have fun or get better it is a great spot. Everybody is friendly and there are multiple people with high tournament finishes in Vintage or other formats. I am happy to have more people coming!

@rat3de

Wispmare counts as a creature for your Hulk and Tree. If the goal is to build around these two cards, it seems to me that you'd want to maximize the number of creatures in your deck.

Why does countermagic fit in this build? Doesn't that reduce your creature count over something like anti-hate Chewer+Wispmares? Or some other creature based set up?

@vaughnbros

I haven't been on this site in years, looks good.

Anyway, since were on the topic, I was one of the people WAYYYYY back in the day pioneering Dredge and refusing to add mana to the deck. Here is a small tourney winning list from 2009. I was running some interesting stuff. Dredge doesn't even look the same anymore. I ran Sundering Titan because I just liked the artwork, and it thew people off.

Lands

4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Dryad Arbor

Creatures

4x Ichorid
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Narcomoeba
1x Sundering Titan
2x Cephalid Sage
2x Flame-Kin Zealot

Spells

3x Chalice of the Void
4x Bridge from Below
4x Dread Return
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Serum Powder
4x Leyline
4x Unmask

@aelien said in The Definition of Xerox:

However, even though i do keep up to date and play quite a lot online (not mtgo sadly), iam not a accomplished tournament player, recognisable name on mtgo or in anyway a person that has any authority on the matter.
Would people still be interested in an overview and breakdown of the Deck and Deck variants by me or should i just rather let someone else do the job?

I am not a recognizable name, and have never won a tournament in my life. Do I care? No, I love this game, the people and the community, so I am going to help it in any way I can. If that mean writing a primer I am not
qualified to write, so be it. Cunningham's law states:

"the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."
If I get something wrong, then others will correct it. Anyone should feel free to write any primers they want, they are contributing, so they are doing something right.

Great article man!