@ChubbyRain Landstill makes occasional appearances, but needing both Wasteland AND Misdirection to be optimal prices a lot of people out of it. Furthermore, I'd say there hasn't been a deck built properly for the meta-game still so there is nothing for people to net deck. Landstill has to be targeted, and people can't even agree on what the targets are...
@Samoht not necessarily true while there are some cards that are inherently good in the mirror and bad vs mishra there is a select few which can serve well in both matchups
Sure a few cards have crossover, but those lose to the ones that are good in the mirror and bad vs Mishra. Flusterstorm and Mental Misstep are by far the best cards in the blue mirror that are unrestricted. Dack Fayden is the one that's best in both and it's quite marginal at best against the current incarnation of Shop (Ravager).
It seems like you're either playing gush or shops. Not much beats both outside of dredge and that makes it hard to bring other decks into the format. Maybe both will get hit. I haven't seen gush perform all that great recently. Still, it is a blue spell after all. So is preordain though so maybe that'll get restricted too.
I could see Channel coming off the restricted list.
It only won the P9 challenge two months ago, the BMI two weeks ago, and several other events in between. Yeah, Gush has done nothing.
@diophan I do believe that having to play cards for the mirror makes the Blue decks worse vs Shop. That's just the nature of the beast. TVK has all but died since it can't really keep up with Gush long term and still play cards to beat Shops in the long term. To me, a hit to Gush/MM is a stealth buff to Blue not taking it down a notch.
@diophan our meta isn't oppressive as is. We dont need to solve it because there is no problem. We are super healthy. If anything, the Mentor decks are doing the best and warrant action, namely Gush or MM which would knock them down a peg in the mirror AND make them better against Shops.
Why in the world is it fun to get turn 1 Belched and never play a spell but not fun to draw 5-6 cards and have a chance to interact with a Shop deck because you have lands in your deck and cheap efficient answers to their lock?
MtGO data is corrupt. The decks are too often NetDecked poorly and played even worse.
If true, paper magic is sadly worse. :(. But I don't think this is true. I think Vintage data for both MTGO and paper are flawed, but in different ways. I think @ChubbyRain said that he felt the MTGO Metagame was a bit better/more polished - that's my feeling as well. That is to say that the average MTGO vintage player is probably a marginally better player.
Moreover, I think it's pretty clear at this point that the MTGO p9 opens are the most competitive regularly scheduled/monthly Vintage tournament in the world, with roughly ~100 players per month, and multiple HoF and Vintage Champs (like Rich Shay, myself, and Hiromocho Ito) playing in most of them. There is nothing else in the world of either that size or quality that I am aware of.
I don't think anyone contends that MtGO is devoid of competent players, even I. But I do acknowledge the stark difference in the metagame that exists there with paper Vintage and the impacts that has on the results and more importantly their meaning. The intersection of Paper and MtGO is not nearly as wide as people seem to believe or react to.
Blue cannibalism is more prevalent there than anywhere else. Storm exists in numbers unrivaled, feeding even further degeneration of the Blue vs Shop match up. Lastly, Shop is the tightest archetype deck wise with the strongest following of consistent players; because Montolio, BSCHL, Dayton, and The Atog Lord consistently play it (and play it quite well). So I tend to look at the numbers, accept them with all the flaws that come with them, and move on. Shop decks should beat Gush decks with Energy Flux in them, that's ok by me.
If we're talking about MtGO in a vacuum it's fine. When we try to extrapolate from that data set into others is where I draw the line. Have a MtGO B/R list and I'll take my ball and go home. Until then, the reliance on that data is only going to hurt Vintage.