The logic against MM is laughable to say the least.
I'm In the minority here, but that's ok.
To consider windfall to be unrestricted at any point is ludicrous as well. But I guess since they've "paid attention to vintag these past few months",they're probably correct. Lol.
I wouldn't mind MM, or anything for that matter, being restricted. Except, it's highly unlikely wotc will revert it's decision if MM was the incorrect call.
I think proving a restriction was incorrect months from now would be highly improbable, especially if they hit multiple cards at once and/or unrestrict something. Not to mention new set releases may influence the meta by then.
On Mental Misstep:
Honestly, mental misstep is what keeps the meta interactive. Otherwise we would have players goldfishing on both sides of the table more often than we do now. (Storm doesn't need to be better.)
I like MM keeping restricted cards like ARecall and 1cmc tutors in check outside of them being restricted as well. Unfortunately, MM is necessary with all the 1cmc cantrips in existence at this point.
My 2cents anyway.
Duress effects will not get better with the restriction of MM. Duress effects aren't as good now because we have so much draw available than before.
the decks that run Karn, don't necessarily run MM. So, Duress could be used against them, except Duress has to happen before the taxing effects come down on the other side.
If Narset goes unrestricted and MM gets hit instead, Narset isn't going to be weaker. Duress here won't do much either. Decks running Narset have the big blue draw engine already to stay ahead.
Duress and effects like it, are weaker now, not because of MM but because of the powerful card draw available now. Let's face it, Duress effects are huge tempo loss in most decks now, unless they can win on the spot. (DPS/ANT)
Not only that but we have Collective Brutality available to us, which dodges MM and it's more versatile.
In the case of Dredge, Force of vigor/Negation would be more at fault for its current strength, not Misstep.
Also, Deathrite Shaman is doing just fine in the current meta. Doesn't look like MM is keeping it oppressed.
Oi, this card used to be compared to Mana drain and as such, competed for slots in blue decks. Spell pierce is purely defensive, where MM can be proactive as well.
One of the main reasons Flusterstorm took the spot over pierce was simply because you can be more aggressive with your plan than you otherwise would be if you ran Pierce or other narrow counterspells.
If MM needs to be restricted merely on the grounds that Pierce and Duress is not played anymore/as much, then Flusterstorm should follow suite because it pushed Mana Drain out, as well as suppressing strategies relying on mostly instant and sorceries.
I hope I expressed myself well enough, apologies if I didn't.
I'm a bit under the weather but had to post my thoughts before they're rendered irrelevant by tomorrow's announcement.
I'm not sold on this helping storm decks ramp into mana any better than other options. Even if your opponent has 5 artifacts (and you're not dead to PO or locked against stax/shops), that's only +3 overall mana gained, which is the same as a threshold cabal ritual.
...That isn't hit by duress (and discard like it) flusterstorm, pierce, or effected by Thorn and Thalia. If they hit this gobo with removal, that's gravy, but not likely if he comes in from SB, since oponents are likely to side out removal game two, against most storm decks.
He can block an attacker which can sometimes mean the difference between winning and losing a game when you play storm.
Of course it has to be tested to have any kind of data to determine if it's any good or not.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but we won't know until then.
I for one, am excited to see this goblin.
thank you for the detailed response.
I agree with your thoughts on pact, I just didn't know what to replace it with, until i saw your list.
I was actually going to ask about pact/daze/ pierce/probe but you answered before I did, lol.
I kept going between fetches and duals to Rainbow lands and back. Same with pact and thoughtsieze.
Even went as far as to try burning wish but didn't feel confident enough to share the brewing process, so, it didn't make it past goldfishing.
Preordain is another card I tried in threes. Any thoughts or experience on preordain?
Thank you for sharing the Burning wish list, as well. I too had an overmaster in the SB but I went full rainbow on the mana base. your list definitely looks more consistent.
Thank you again for sharing.
List looks great!
Im glad that someone still works on and plays Ad Nauseam in Paper Vintage.
I've been working on an Ad Nauseam list and I must admit, I would not have thought of even adding Daze.
Daze makes so much sense, now.
I entertained the thought of adding Spell pierce, but didn't because of Misstep.
Speaking of Mental Misstep, how has it worked for you thus far? How often did it make, or would've made, a difference throughout the day? Asking for a friend, lol.
What made you go 0-Cabal Rituals?
My reasoning for keeping at least 2 Cabal Rituals in my list has always been speed and another way to ignore opposing MM.
Apologies if I'm asking too much at once.
Thank you, for the report.
Wouldn't this just put you where we are now, but decades from now...again.
I didn't like Old-school until I came across EC and other non-Swedish rules. OS'96 is a bit better, but Vintage redux is definitely something I would stay away from altogether.
The rules/B&R would still become fractured as, if not much more, than OS'93/94.
This might be a format for a few players out there but, I just dont see it becoming a thing.
My 2 cents anyway
This is a great card.
Digs deep. Gets you the two best cards of seven. At 4cmc, that's not bad, even at sorcery speed. Not comparable to jace,tms at all. Closest card to this is DTT...
Except, this card is coming at a time where we have Jtms, FoF, Gifts, Paradoxical Outcome, Narset, parter of veils unrestricted.
There just isn't room for a slower more costly DTT in Vintage.
In standard it's going to be a beast. Gets you cards past Narset
That's pretty insane. It also means it's really incumbent on Vintage players on MTGO to try to make the case, one way or the other. Dredgeapolooza.
Given my experience with WotC, this would be a lost cause. Play how you will but trying to make your case is tilting at windmills. Step outside and, if you're not in the Houston area, take a deep breath. Enjoy things that aren't Magic for a moment.
This made me lol; then
I'm avoiding being outside during the day here in SA ,unless really necessary.